Another Political Comment

[NEM]

Allow me to preface my comments by saying that I am an AMERICAN, I will follow the lead, and back, the President of the United States, even if I disagree with him...and, in this case, he is wrong, wrong, wrong, as he has been since the first day he took office.

He has lied his way to the presidency and now, now he will put, at risk, hundreds of thousands of American Lives for a campaign of retribution and a vendetta to correct his father's inadequacies.

King George (dubwya) is a buffoon. He is, perhaps, the most ignorant president this country has ever seen.

He didnt even have the intelligence to pick his own advisors, instead he picked a bunch or retreads from his father's administration.

He selected THE THREE STOOGES, Cheney, Rumsfeld and Powell as his three top adivisors, the same three guys who let Saddam off the hook in 1991. Now the three of them are trying to get back what they couldnt get, then.

And King George himself, he is willing to sacrifice the lives of thousands of Americans, British, etc. just to carry on his vendetta against Saddam Hussein, to make things right for his daddy.

I am not saying that Hussein is not a viscious murderer and a killer and might be, note i said MIGHT BE, a threat to peace in the middle east, if not the world, but what has King George proven, nothing but inuendo.

George Bush has put this country into economic disaster, just to satisfy the corporations, the HMO's, the insurance industry, etc...while the little people get nothing, they continue to suffer.

Now he will be responsible for the deaths of thousands of our sons and daughters, and for what? For a vendetta to rectify a mistake made by his daddy.

He has alienated us from the rest of the world. He is, slowly, causing the United States to be an island on its own.

Since his presidency, he has alienated, the Canadians, the Chinese, the Japanese, the koreans, many Arab countries, the Palestinians, even the Israelis and MOST of the European continent.

I suggest that if King George wants to wage war, then he, Cheney, Rumsfeld and powell should be right there, onthe front lines, leading our sons, and daughters, into battle.

But, of course, Bush wont be there, just like he wasnt in the National Guard when his daddy got him out of that one, too.

I am an AMERICAN, if he leads us to war, I will be there backing our effort, but, I dont have to agree with King George.

He will destroy what it took this counntry to achieve in the last two hundred and twenty seven years, since the first shot was heard at lexington and Concord...

George Bush will be responsible for the destruction of this country as we now know it.

[Peg]

Sorry, NEM--
Although I ADORED your Patriots memories that you shared with everyone, when you initially signed on here, I have to say that I don't agree with anything that you have stated in your post. Further, I abhor discussing politics with people, as there is no real purpose... You ain't EVER gonna change how I feel and I don't care to change your beliefs, either... We'll just hafta agree to disagree, eh?... So, let's keep the politics to the official politics thread and if there it dies a slow death, then so be it...
So--have ya got any more GREAT Patriot memories/experiences to share with us New England Mike?! Rock on, my die-hard Pats fan!

[Hawg73]

Nem,

Seems to me like you are capable of being a thoughtful, considerate, and intelligent person or at times act like a complete blowhard who likes to ram his radical rantings down peoples throats.

Guess which one I think this post makes you sound like? It is so filled with exaggeration and wild rhetoric that it does not deserve the courtesy of taking it seriously. Just thank god that the internet provides a free forum for lunatic opinions like this one. twenty years ago you'd be out on the street corner having to face people to make your fanatical views heard. Congratulations.

So that people don't misconstrue my distaste for your method here, I am anti-war and hope that this is an attempt to scare the crap out of Hussein and that he will back off. I could argue the right wing point of view here if I wanted but I'm no more thrilled with that than your ridiculousness.

Are you seriously trying to claim that Bush is starting a war to make his Pop happy? Some kind of family warm and fuzzies? Idiot son finally gets paternal approval?

Do you think there is some legitimacy to fears that Hussein has possesion of and the will to use chemical weapons to wipe out huge amounts of people? Or is that some kind of brain-damaged fantasy on his part? Maybe it would be easier if the entire world just sticks its head in the sand and lets him do whatever the hell he feels like.

No wonder the French hate us.

[Peg]

Well, Hawg--
At the risk of putting this thread back up at the top of the page again, I must say that I AGREE with you and now wish that I hadn't been quite so p.c. in my response, (although I should point out that I am the one that happened to get chastised by our moderator, Alice...) I was trying not to offend anyone and was especially trying not to push the buttons of our other liberal moderator, NR...
I am ALL for free speech, Alice & NR, but perhaps you guys should have an additional moderator that is not of your same political persuasion...(Now that this is apparent.) Perhaps a Hawg or Freak type of personality would be a nice "balance." What say ye?...
BTW--I am not disagreeing with any of your "calls" so far, but I am just thinking that at some point, there might be a situation where a counter viewpoint might be judicious... Just a thought to consider...

[NEM]

Regardless as to what King George's motives are, and YES, I believe, in part, that retributions is part of the reason (And, by the way, I have heard that said in many places, on CNN, NBC, media ,etc)......

It really doesn't matter, because George Bush has handled this entire situation inthe wrong way, since the beginning, and I dont believe he, himself, has enough intelligence to fathom it out. In fact, I believe that PRESIDENT CHENEY , PRESIDENT RUMSFELD, and PRESIDENT POWELL are really running the show.

In fact, when he first took office, and decided to keep the US out of the Palestinian/Israeli situation, and isolate ourselves....unlike the previous administration...it was, npart, for that reason, according to the Egyptian Ambassador AND the King of Jordan, that the 9/11 attack took place.

Bush just hasnt got the intelligence to understand foreign affairs....and he continues to alienate every country inthe world, even Great Britain, except for his bed fellow, Tony Blair.

He has used the war to overshadow his lackluster job onthe economy, as this country goes further and further ito debt, but ok King George, keep giving the payoffs to the rich, like the tax break he keeps pushing on dividends...

Think for a minute people, who gains the most from not having to pay peo[ple on dividends....hbow many poor and average people own stock, enough to get dividends, not too many, right?

The his privitization of the prescription plan , which willcost seniors even more, or lose health coverage al together.

The man is a bad man, and is getting bad guidance...of course, he is too stupid to screw up himself so he needs help in screwing up.

And, thousands of Americans will lose their lives because of him. What a shame.

[Peg]

Well-- OWIE, Alice--
I was just about to post something to thank you for all that you have done to not only start this forum, but for doing the tee-shirts and to see how the hockey training is going and all...
I sensed that the whole freakin' political thing had caused a rift and I guess that I was correct in that gut feeling of mine...(That's why I hate discussing politics with people, as it can taint an otherwise perfectly good friendship.)
FYI--NR HAS INDEED told a member that "This thread does not belong here." He told it to me and frankly it quite alienated me for awhile... If you don't think that a moderator's attitudes don't influence a forum, then you are mistaken. I could give you examples as such from my advising at Dartmouth, etc... but won't, at the risk of assuming that you will trust me & believe my assertion here.
I said it before and I'll say it again: I hate the discussion of politics and that is part of what caused things to go so sour over at Patriots.com. Can't we learn from previous mistakes and stop re-inventing the wheel? It would be great to just talk football or whatever other FUN tangents that we can come up with... Politics and religion are no-win discussions... People feel too strongly about them one way or another (and rightly so) and there is no changing anyone's mind, so what is the sense of it?! Really?!
And just to clarify: I am NOT asking for you to censor people here. I was NEVER asking for that. I was only asking that we try to avoid such topics and try to keep some sort of peace here, among our friends, our fellow Pats fans... What say ye?!...

[pookie]

I hate talking about politics.

I am not very knowledgeable about politics....period.

I feel that anybody on this board can say whatever they want about politics, although maybe it ought to be contained in the special thread made just for politics.

But what if pookie was to address this whole stinkin' thread, particularly the beginning piece that is obviously somebody with a personal vendetta against Bush.

My political quote for the board and I may never post on the politics subject again........... If you don't like the way the country is run, if you're so angry with the U.S., then either run for president and fix things yourself or get the F out of the country and go live in a much better country like China, Korea or a lovely Arabic terrorist country!!

Jesus H Christ that comment about Bush having a score to settle for his Daddy is just ludicrous.

Personally, I hope that the backing of the U.S. attack on Iraq grows even further than it has in the past week or so. That f'ing nut in Iraq hates all Americans.....He wants to kill us all......He's training his people, the children to hate us and kill us. They are a terrorist country, period. If I didn't fear the repercussions, I'd have no problem with nuking that bastard. But there's no doubt we have to take him out and soon.


Sorry, I'm just getting tired of all of the anti-America B.S. that's coming from Americans........again!

[pookie]

Originally posted by Peg
Well-- OWIE, Alice--
I was just about to post something to thank you for all that you have done to not only start this forum, but for doing the tee-shirts and to see how the hockey training is going and all...
I sensed that the whole freakin' political thing had caused a rift and I guess that I was correct in that gut feeling of mine...(That's why I hate discussing politics with people, as it can taint an otherwise perfectly good friendship.)
FYI--NR HAS INDEED told a member that "This thread does not belong here." He told it to me and frankly it quite alienated me for awhile... If you don't think that a moderator's attitudes don't influence a forum, then you are mistaken. I could give you examples as such from my advising at Dartmouth, etc... but won't, at the risk of assuming that you will trust me & believe my assertion here.
I said it before and I'll say it again: I hate the discussion of politics and that is part of what caused things to go so sour over at Patriots.com. Can't we learn from previous mistakes and stop re-inventing the wheel? It would be great to just talk football or whatever other FUN tangents that we can come up with... Politics and religion are no-win discussions... People feel too strongly about them one way or another (and rightly so) and there is no changing anyone's mind, so what is the sense of it?! Really?!
And just to clarify: I am NOT asking for you to censor people here. I was NEVER asking for that. I was only asking that we try to avoid such topics and try to keep some sort of peace here, among our friends, our fellow Pats fans... What say ye?!...

I think the key is, Peg, not to take it personally. After all look at my little tirade just below here. Everybody has their opinion and that's it, it's just opinion. I fully expect to be bashed about my sorry ass attempt at posting on a political issue, but hey, I threw my opinion out and that's it. If somebody doesn't like my opinion, then they can either not read it or kiss my pookie ass!

Rock on Peg! Argue away, it's fun and good for the soul......

[NEM]

Actually, my post was NOT the first thread that was initiated in here on politics. I merely added a new one...and, I detest those that say, if you dont like it here, go live somewhere else.... So, therefore, I suggest that you are a conservative loon, cause only a conservative loon would say something loike that which is so detrminental to our freedoms ad our way of life, and the freedoms that make this country the great country that it is.

Yes, the man in Iraq is a nut, a fruitcake, but is what Bush is doing worth the risk of thousands, perhaps hundreds of thousands of American and other lives for the sake of proving a point....and as of now, Bush has proven nothing, nothing but inuendo and rhetoric.

And, there is agrowing feeling in this country that Bush DOES have a vendetta.... I am far from alonw in that feeling.

Bush will go down in the history books as the person responsible for destroying the American way of life and for creating the coutries second civil war.

He campaigned on "togetherness" and bi-partisanship and, in my 63 years on earth, i can NEVER remember this country being as divided as it is now.

Good job Mister fake president, you have almost reached your goal, of destroying this country. Frickin buffoon that he is.

Thats what happens when you put a brainless boob into the oval office.

[freak]

Geez, you'd think that Dubya was Charlie Weiss' uncle, or Ernie Zampese's son, by NEMs reaction.

Funny that NEM equates a conservative opinion as jeopardizing our freedoms. And yet it is the liberal idea that our Constitution is open to interpretation, that puts our very freedoms at risk. For if you can interpret the Constitution, what worth do any of the freedoms contained in it have?

[pookie]

Originally posted by NEM
Actually, my post was NOT the first thread that was initiated in here on politics. I merely added a new one...and, I detest those that say, if you dont like it here, go live somewhere else.... So, therefore, I suggest that you are a conservative loon, cause only a conservative loon would say something loike that which is so detrminental to our freedoms ad our way of life, and the freedoms that make this country the great country that it is.

Yes, the man in Iraq is a nut, a fruitcake, but is what Bush is doing worth the risk of thousands, perhaps hundreds of thousands of American and other lives for the sake of proving a point....and as of now, Bush has proven nothing, nothing but inuendo and rhetoric.

And, there is agrowing feeling in this country that Bush DOES have a vendetta.... I am far from alonw in that feeling.

Bush will go down in the history books as the person responsible for destroying the American way of life and for creating the coutries second civil war.

He campaigned on "togetherness" and bi-partisanship and, in my 63 years on earth, i can NEVER remember this country being as divided as it is now.

Good job Mister fake president, you have almost reached your goal, of destroying this country. Frickin buffoon that he is.

Thats what happens when you put a brainless boob into the oval office.

I guess it's going to take another couple of skyscrapers coming down or maybe a bio/chemical attack for folks like yourself to realize what's really going on in this world. Maybe that's what's a good thing about not being a political zealot in any direction. You know, almost politically ignorant or a conservative loon, as you put it NEM (whatever that means). I can sit back and realize what might need to be done in the world today to stop the attacks by terrorists on us. And I can also realize just how cukoo you sound in your attacks on Bush. I'm sure there are many folks like you that buy into the Bush/Hussein conspiracy thing like yourself.... that's unfortunate.

And I have to ask about our country's upcoming second civil war that you predict, as it is making me laugh out loud. I sure hope it aint North vs South again sir. I'm from Massachusetts, but I've lived in Memphis, Mississippi and Dallas for the past 7+ years. I'm afraid this means I'll have to hang a union AND confederate flag outside my house then shoot myself... say it aint so NEM, say it aint so.

[freak]

BTW, NEM.......

There isn't gonna be any civil war in the US. Especially given the way your liberal friends have crusaded to take away our right to bear arms.

[NEM]

I never mentioned anything abot the right, or the non right, to bear and carry arms. Someone else in this thread mentioned it.

And yes, there WILL be a civil war...not necessarilly one with guns and shooting, but a war of the classes, as this administration contiues to separate them even further apart.

For example, Bush still insists on the huge tax break for the wealthy, mostly on COEPORATE dividend tax breaks while, at the same time, the Homeland Security that he so highly pushed for, goes totally underfunded because there wont be any money due to the proposed tax break...and local departments have , virtually, no funds to implement the security, just ask any police commissioner or police chief...

Bush, and his croney administration, has dug us so deep of a hole that the only wat to get out of it will be by a CLASS civil war...and, it has already begun.

Bush is nothing short of a buffoon.....

Yes, I will back the administration, and our troops, if we go to war, but I dont have to agree with the way this administration has divided and separated our country.

Bush forgets one most important quotation...UNITED WE STAND, DIVIDED WE FALL..AND, AS OF THE CURTRENT MOMENT, Bush has divided this country..... He is an ignorant, fanatical buffoon....

[Undertaker #59]

The country has been divided a lot longer that that NEM.


Peg,

I understand what you are saying. Just don't get involved in the political threads.....saves your sanity. I know its hard not to. I try not to, but I still said that line above to NEM.

Reading political threads teaches one one thing - You can't argue with an ignorant person, they drag you down to their level and then beat you with experience.

[pookie]

Originally posted by NEM
I never mentioned anything abot the right, or the non right, to bear and carry arms. Someone else in this thread mentioned it.

And yes, there WILL be a civil war...not necessarilly one with guns and shooting, but a war of the classes, as this administration contiues to separate them even further apart.

For example, Bush still insists on the huge tax break for the wealthy, mostly on COEPORATE dividend tax breaks while, at the same time, the Homeland Security that he so highly pushed for, goes totally underfunded because there wont be any money due to the proposed tax break...and local departments have , virtually, no funds to implement the security, just ask any police commissioner or police chief...

Bush, and his croney administration, has dug us so deep of a hole that the only wat to get out of it will be by a CLASS civil war...and, it has already begun.

Bush is nothing short of a buffoon.....

Yes, I will back the administration, and our troops, if we go to war, but I dont have to agree with the way this administration has divided and separated our country.

Bush forgets one most important quotation...UNITED WE STAND, DIVIDED WE FALL..AND, AS OF THE CURTRENT MOMENT, Bush has divided this country..... He is an ignorant, fanatical buffoon....

God bless you NEM.... it must tear you apart to be so angry.