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Old 06-15-2012, 11:14 AM   #1
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Pentagon finishes contingency plans for Syria invasion

Officials with the US Department of Defense have confirmed that the Pentagon has finalized procedures that outline how American forces could soon combat the government of war-torn Syria and officially involve itself in that state’s bloody uprising.

After months of rumors suggesting that the US has unofficially made efforts to weaponize rebel forces fighting Syrian President Bashar al-Assad, officials with the Defense Department tell CNN that the Pentagon has finished drafting blueprints that lay-out just how the US military could aid in ousting the leader with America’s own troops.

In their report, CNN cites Defense Department officials speaking on condition of anonymity; in a separate sit-down however, Joint Chiefs of Staff Chairman Gen. Martin Dempsey confirms to the outlet that intensifying violence overseas in recent months has prompted the Pentagon to expedite establishing a role for US forces.

The violence "gives us all pause that have been in Iraq and seen how these issues become sectarian and then they become civil wars and then they become very difficult to resolve," Dempsey tells CNN this week.

"There is a sense that if the sectarian violence in Syria grows, it could be worse than what we saw in Iraq," he adds.

Although the issue of involving US forces in the war against Assad’s regime has been on the table since the beginning of the uprising, authorities in Washington — off the record — have all but officially thrown their hat in the ring in regards to offering assistance. RT reported earlier this week that intelligence forces have revealed to Israel’s Debka news agency that the US was believed to be readying the establishing of a no-fly zone in Syria, and last month discussed murmurings that suggested US President Barack Obama had quietly approved a shipment of anti-tank weapons to Syrian rebels.
CNN’s report confirms that the military has indeed drafted instructions that lay-out the implementation of the no-fly zone. Additionally, officials say that a large number of US troops could soon be installed overseas to aid in the war.

As early as March of this year, lawmakers including John McCain (R-Arizona) began rallying together to ask Congress to consider authorizing strikes on Assad. Without the permission of the United Nations, though, the US has been hesitant to offer any formal assistance.

“NATO took military action to save Kosovo in 1999 without formal UN authorization. There is no reason why the Arab League, or NATO, or a leading coalition within the Friends of Syria contact group, or all of them speaking in unison, could not provide a similar international mandate for military measures to save Syria today,” Sen. McCain told Capitol Hill constituents earlier this year.

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So...now the administration has painted itself into a corner, and may be "forced" to enter Syria.

We have already declared the Syrian government illegitimate, and now AQ and Islamic militant groups have taken over the rebellion.

So, what we are left with is another diplomatic fumble, with no possible positive political outcome, that may possibly lead us into active, direct military entanglement in another country.

..more dead soldiers for strictly political cover-your-arse reasons.

I sure hope this never bears fruit.

As far as I'm concerned, there is NO REASON to go into Syria.

Not ONE American soldier should be there.

I don't even want drones there.

STAY THE FUQ OUT OF SYRIA!

Can I get an "AMEN"?

EDIT: For those who don't know....once an internal conflict is officially recognized as a "civil war", the international law changes regarding outside interference.

I think this is what prompted the urgency here.

I mean..it's been a year, and all of a sudden it is "urgent".
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The Pentagon has contingency plans for a slew of possibilities, including an alien invasion.

Does that mean any of these events are going to happen "soon"?

They should plan for all sorts of contingencies, because if a situation develops so that it may be necessary to do something, you don't want to have to figure out the plan on the fly.

Having plans in place allows whoever is President to understand the options and have some idea of what the likely outcome would be for any chosen course of action.

I'm sure that we had a plan for the invasion of Syria long before the present unrest started, and it is perfectly appropriate to update this plan to reflect the changed situation there.

But let's suppose that everything I said is wrong and this was a brand new plan developed.

What would be the outcome of developing such a plan?

Well, it would layout in detail what would be the possible outcome for any scenario.

It would layout what casualties would be taken, on all sides.

It would project what would be the long term consequences, and required commitments for any scenario.

Basically it would give the data necessary for the President to make an informed choice on what is the best option.

Well, yeah, that's a dumb idea. Much much better to not evaluate the circumstances and simply make an ideologically based choice.
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Old 06-15-2012, 01:43 PM   #4
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The Pentagon has contingency plans for a slew of possibilities, including an alien invasion.

Does that mean any of these events are going to happen "soon"?

They should plan for all sorts of contingencies, because if a situation develops so that it may be necessary to do something, you don't want to have to figure out the plan on the fly.

Having plans in place allows whoever is President to understand the options and have some idea of what the likely outcome would be for any chosen course of action.

I'm sure that we had a plan for the invasion of Syria long before the present unrest started, and it is perfectly appropriate to update this plan to reflect the changed situation there.

But let's suppose that everything I said is wrong and this was a brand new plan developed.

What would be the outcome of developing such a plan?

Well, it would layout in detail what would be the possible outcome for any scenario.

It would layout what casualties would be taken, on all sides.

It would project what would be the long term consequences, and required commitments for any scenario.

Basically it would give the data necessary for the President to make an informed choice on what is the best option.

Well, yeah, that's a dumb idea. Much much better to not evaluate the circumstances and simply make an ideologically based choice.

"intelligence forces have revealed to Israel’s Debka news agency that the US was believed to be readying the establishing of a no-fly zone in Syria, and last month discussed murmurings that suggested US President Barack Obama had quietly approved a shipment of anti-tank weapons to Syrian rebels.
CNN’s report confirms that the military has indeed drafted instructions that lay-out the implementation of the no-fly zone. Additionally, officials say that a large number of US troops could soon be installed overseas to aid in the war.

As early as March of this year, lawmakers including John McCain (R-Arizona) began rallying together to ask Congress to consider authorizing strikes on Assad. Without the permission of the United Nations, though, the US has been hesitant to offer any formal assistance."

OK, OPT.

I'll put you down in support of going to war in Syria, as the above quote suggests.
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Russia, US Nearing Proxy War in Syria

France has called on the United Nations to authorize using "all means" necessary to end the carnage in Syria, bringing the civil war closer to the edge of a proxy war between Russia and the Western alliance.

Russian Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov on Wednesday accused the United States of supplying weapons to Syria's opposition, hours after U.S. Secretary of State Hillary Clinton charged that Moscow is sending a new shipment of attack helicopters to Damascus.

Lavrov spoke during a brief visit to Iran, which along with Syria are two of Russia’s favorite nations for investment of nuclear development and arms exports.

The Russian foreign minister said that supplying "anti-air defense systems" to Syrian President Bashar Assad "in no way violates international laws.” Reflecting an increasing Cold War attitude, he added, "That contrasts with what the United States is doing with the opposition, which is providing arms to the Syrian opposition which are being used against the Syrian government.”

Pravda last November headlined “Russia and USA on verge of another Cold War” over an article concerning America’s missile defense system in Europe. Dmitry Medvedev, now prime minister, said that Russia will deploy new ballistic missiles that can guarantee the total destruction of the European part of the air defense system.

Lavrov’s accusations of Washington’s sending weapons to Syrian rebels was the first time Russia has directly fingered the United States.

One deterrent from direct Western military intervention in Syria has been the fear that the civil war could erupt into an all-out proxy war that could blow up into a regional conflict, with Assad backed by Russia and Iran and the opposition backed by the United States and Western allies. The likelihood of military intervention increased Wednesday with France's appeal, which would require the United Nations to use force if that is the only way to impose Kofi Annan's six-point peace plan.

Reporters grilled U.S. State Dept. spokeswoman Olivia Nuland Tuesday on Clinton’s statement concerning the attack helicopters. She refused to answer if the choppers were on the way or already had arrived.

One journalist implied that the shipment of helicopters was justified because Syria might need them to defend itself against Israel. Nuland replied, “I think the concern that we have is that the arms that the regime has are not being used for external defense. They’re not being used for external planning. They’re being used to kill their own citizens, especially civilians – women and children and men.”

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US official: Russia sends troops to Syria as peace hopes fade


By Jim Miklaszewski, NBC News, and msnbc.com news services

Russia is sending armed troops to Syria amid escalating violence there, United States military officials told NBC News Friday, in a move certain to frustrate Western efforts to put pressure on the regime of President Bashir Assad.

Moscow has sent a ship carrying a small contingent of combat forces to guard Russia’s deep-water port and military base at the Syrian city of Tartus, the US officials said.

The U.S. officials also said Russia has not sent additional attack helicopters to the Syrian government, but replacement parts for the Russian helicopters the Syrians are already flying.

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"intelligence forces have revealed to Israel’s Debka news agency that the US was believed to be readying the establishing of a no-fly zone in Syria, and last month discussed murmurings that suggested US President Barack Obama had quietly approved a shipment of anti-tank weapons to Syrian rebels.
CNN’s report confirms that the military has indeed drafted instructions that lay-out the implementation of the no-fly zone. Additionally, officials say that a large number of US troops could soon be installed overseas to aid in the war.

As early as March of this year, lawmakers including John McCain (R-Arizona) began rallying together to ask Congress to consider authorizing strikes on Assad. Without the permission of the United Nations, though, the US has been hesitant to offer any formal assistance."


So let me get this straight.

You're quoting a news story from RT.

Who is RT?

From Wiki
RT, previously known as Russia Today, is a government-funded[1] global multilingual television news network based in Russia. It was founded in 2005 as Russia Today by the government-owned[2] RIA Novosti.
So you think that a news organization that is owned by the Russian government, is somehow a better source of news regarding Syria.

Do you have any idea what Russia's relationship is with Syria?

Why on earth do you think they are someone telling the "truth" when the rest of the MSM is covering things up.

Oh and what is RT's record on reporting things that are important to the Russian government?
Criticisms of coverage of specific news incidents

During the 2008 South Ossetia War Russia Today correspondent William Dunbar resigned saying "the real news, the real facts of the matter, didn't conform to what they were trying to report, and therefore, they wouldn't let me report it."[34] Human Rights Watch said that the claim of 2,000 South Ossetian casualties, announced by Russia Today,[35] was "exaggerated."[36] The Moscow correspondent for The Independent said that Russia Today's coverage of the war was "obscene", claiming that the channel was "extraordinarily biased" and had "instructed reporters not to report from Georgian villages within South Ossetia that had been ethnically cleansed."[37]

Responses to allegations

Russia Today staff have claimed that their coverage is "fair and balanced, not merely propaganda."[38] In March 2010, The Moscow Times stated that "some" believe the TV network broadcasts "Kremlin propaganda" around the world, but acknowledged that others viewed the TV network as an important alternative voice in the media.[1]

Margarita Simonyan, the channel's editor-in-chief, has rejected the allegation that RT broadcasts "Kremlin propaganda" but acknowledged that it strives for a "Russian viewpoint".[1] She has claimed the channel welcomes controversy, as it "provides an alternative to mainstream media."[39] She has said the network "takes a pro-Russian position"[26] and has been unrepentant about RT's pro-Russian coverage of the 2008 Russian-Georgian war.[26]
Oh and where is this CNN report they talk about?

I googled CNN Syria no fly zone and this was the only story that had anything remotely close to the subject.
U.S. military completes initial planning for Syria


By Barbara Starr

The U.S. military has completed its own planning for how American troops would conduct a variety of operations against Syria, or to assist neighboring countries in the event action was ordered, officials tell CNN.

In recent weeks, the Pentagon has finalized its assessment of what types of units would be needed, how many troops, and even the cost of certain potential operations, officials tell CNN.

Multiple military officials say initial planning is complete with a full understanding of what types of troops and units would be needed. This has been done so that if President Obama were to ask for options the military would be ready to present them.
(OPT: Gee that sound familiar. Too bad someone didn't post that idea here) But officials say additional detailed work would have to be done before forces could be deployed.

The planning comes as the U.S. has become increasingly concerned that the violence in Syria is verging on civil war. Gen. Martin Dempsey, chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, said the recent series of bombings have heightened the worry.

Dempsey said it reminded him of the escalating violence during the Iraq war.

The violence "gives us all pause that have been in Iraq and seen how these issues become sectarian and then they become civil wars and then they become very difficult to resolve," Dempsey told CNN in an exclusive interview on Thursday.

A senior U.S. official said the developments have been a matter of discussion in the Obama administration.

"There is a sense that if the sectarian violence in Syria grows, it could be worse than what we saw in Iraq," the official said.

The military planning includes a scenario for a no-fly zone as well as protecting chemical and biological sites. Officials say all the scenarios would be difficult to enact and involve large numbers of U.S. troops and extended operations.

The planning, officials insist, is being done protectively and there have been no orders for any action from the White House.

The U.S. Navy is maintaining a presence of three surface combatants and a submarine in the eastern Mediterranean to conduct electronic surveillance and reconnaissance on the Syrian regime, a senior Pentagon official said. The official emphasized that the U.S. routinely maintains this type of naval presence in the eastern Mediterranean, but acknowledged the current focus is on Syria.

The United States, Britain and France have all been discussing contingency scenarios, potential training and sharing of intelligence about what is happening in Syria with neighboring countries including Jordan, Turkey and Israel. But it is Jordan, so far, that is most seeking the help because of its relatively small military and potential need for outside help if unrest in southern Syria were to impact Jordan's security.

U.S. special forces are training and advising Jordanian troops on a range of specific military tasks they might need to undertake if unrest in Syria spills over into Jordan or poses a threat to that country, three Defense Department officials told CNN. (OPT: Gosh we have forces in the region to help train an ally on how to handle a situation if the Syrian conflict moves across their border into their country? WARMONGERS!) The officials declined to be identified because of the sensitivity of the training. Jordanian officials also are refusing to publicly confirm details, but a senior Middle Eastern government official also confirmed details to CNN.

The U.S. has been training in Jordan using mainly special operations forces under a program called Joint Combined Exchange Training, which sends troops overseas to train foreign soldiers and units in specific missions. Jordan's major security concern is that if the Syrian regime were to suddenly collapse, then it would face unrest on its northern border, as well as the possibility of large refugee flows, weapons smuggling into Jordan, and potential disarray in Syria's chemical and biological weapons complex. Jordan also is considering how and where to potentially set up humanitarian assistance bases inside its borders, another matter the U.S. is advising it on.

The Jordanians do not believe regime of Bashir al-Assad would attack them. But they have made it clear to the United States they want the training so they are ready to move quickly if any scenario develops that could destabilize their country, which is already reeling politically from a collapsing economy. While there's no formal agreement, one of the U.S. officials said the U.S. would come to the defense and support of Jordan in the event any of the Syria scenarios pose a challenge.

While there is no current scenario for putting U.S. troops on the ground in Jordan or Syria, the U.S. could wind up providing air support to move Jordanian troops to the border. In addition, American forces could provide a wide range of intelligence and surveillance capabilities to Jordan so they would have up-to-date information on what is happening on the Syrian side of their border region. In one of the most extreme scenarios, a small unit of Jordanian troops could move into Syria to protect a chemical or biological weapons site.

U.S. satellites are monitoring the chemical and biological weapons sites around the clock, and so far "there is no reason to believe they are not secure," one of the U.S. officials said.

The U.S. believes the facilities are guarded by some of the most elite Alawite troops loyal to al-Assad. But the official noted that the opposition forces appear to be gaining strength in some areas, and that the United States, Jordan and the allies are concerned that as the amount of al-Assad controlled territory shrinks, some of those critical facilities could be open to attacks, pilfering or efforts by terrorist groups to buy material.

"This is getting a fair amount of attention," another U.S. official told CNN. Also discussed with Jordanian forces was the possible need for U.S. chemical and biological weapons detecting equipment, the official said.

The overall assessment by the U.S. is that in the event some action had to be taken to secure Syrian chemical, biological or weapons facilities, troops from some country would have to enter Syria in a matter of hours.

This latest training is said to be separate from the recent multinational "Eager Lion 2012" training exercise that took place in Jordan.

During that exercise, U.S. and Jordanian troops also practiced many of the same scenarios, but the JCET training is much more focused, according to the officials.
So if this ins't the CNN report RT was referring to, what is?

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OK, OPT.

I'll put you down in support of going to war in Syria, as the above quote suggests.


Seriously?

Because I doubt your Black Helicopter, Rothschild, Illuminati, Free Mason tin foil hat theories fed by a Russian government controlled news agency, that means I'm in favor of war?

All I said was that the mere fact that the government is preparing plans to perform task A says absolutely nothing about the probability that task A will be implemented.

The government has plans out the wazoo for contingencies that range from the sublime to the ridiculous.

For the record, at this time, I don't see a compelling argument for intervening inside of Syria. That doesn't mean I can't envision scenarios where that would be the bad choice and not intervening would be the worse choice.
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So you think that a news organization that is owned by the Russian government, is somehow a better source of news regarding Syria.
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Why on earth do you think they are someone telling the "truth" when the rest of the MSM is covering things up.
Pretty much speaks for itself at thsi point, I guess.




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U.S. special forces are training and advising Jordanian troops on a range of specific military tasks they might need to undertake if unrest in Syria spills over into Jordan or poses a threat to that country, three Defense Department officials told CNN. (OPT: Gosh we have forces in the region to help train an ally on how to handle a situation if the Syrian conflict moves across their border into their country? WARMONGERS!) The officials declined to be identified because of the sensitivity of the training. Jordanian officials also are refusing to publicly confirm details, but a senior Middle Eastern government official also confirmed details to CNN.
...who, after that tactical training, arms, and equipment, then became the birth of ISIS, which is why ISIS seemed to come out of nowhere and captured half of Iraq in a few weeks...sound familiar?


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For the record, at this time, I don't see a compelling argument for intervening inside of Syria. That doesn't mean I can't envision scenarios where that would be the bad choice and not intervening would be the worse choice.
How's this working out for you so far?
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But let's suppose that everything I said is wrong and this was a brand new plan developed.
By the way...

Of COURSE it's a new plan.

A plan that is any more than a few months old would be useless. It would not reflect current conditions...obviously.
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I'm sure that we had a plan for the invasion of Syria long before the present unrest started, and it is perfectly appropriate to update this plan to reflect the changed situation there.
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I know you like to jump on the "only American media matters" bandwagon whenever you can...

But had you read the article, you would have noted that the story was, in fact, from CNN, here...


http://security.blogs.cnn.com/2012/0...ing-for-syria/

..and had you actually read the posts, you may have noticed that the other two were from MSNBC and Israel National News, respectively.

However...if you think CNN and Israel News are Tinfoil Hat Russian Conspiracy Media as well, feel free to check out other sources..

http://thehill.com/blogs/defcon-hill...ding-to-syria-

http://security.blogs.cnn.com/2012/0...oute-to-syria/

http://www.debka.com/article/22088/B...es-ready-to-go

http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-202_162-...oute-to-syria/

http://www.theway.co.uk/news-8774-ar...-land-in-syria

http://abcnews.go.com/Blotter/russia...3#.T9xuQ8V75Gk

Take your pick.

Now, this may be a repeat of the same false story from back in March...but I have a feeling it is the real deal this time.

And look!

RT was right.....

.....again.
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Weird. I saw a contingency plan for an invasion of Syria back in the late 80s. How friggin' hard is it to cross out "Soviet Union" and replace it with "Russian Federation" throughout the document?
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In fairness to all incoming Presidents they have no clue what truly goes on behind the scenes in the REAL WORLD,but after their first CIA briefing the reality smacks them all in the face, and their hair immediately turns two shades of grey...
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I wish all incoming presidents were granted that kind of grace.
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