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Old 04-11-2013, 03:25 PM   #16
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They were ranked 9th, yes I am saying a top 10 defense is good by NFL standards. The Pats have room to improve, so do other teams.



Yes, I agree that the offense doing well helps the defense. Usually that means more clock too. Last year they ran the hurry no-huddle offense quite a bit (should have done it more in the playoffs). I wonder if that increased the amount of time the d was on the field?
The pats had one of the best TOP's last year....if you watch a pats game the defense does not really start out kicking butt and then get tired, actually they usually get a bit better as the game goes along....the pats had great time of possession, had more first downs on offense than any team in history, ran the ball almost as much as they ever did, I am not sure what else they can do to help the defense to be honest. The defense at least how it was last year is good up front, bad at stopping the pass and need to improve a lot on getting teams off the field and that starts with a consistent pass rush that we have not had since 2007.
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Old 04-11-2013, 03:39 PM   #17
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The pats had one of the best TOP's last year....if you watch a pats game the defense does not really start out kicking butt and then get tired, actually they usually get a bit better as the game goes along....the pats had great time of possession, had more first downs on offense than any team in history, ran the ball almost as much as they ever did, I am not sure what else they can do to help the defense to be honest. The defense at least how it was last year is good up front, bad at stopping the pass and need to improve a lot on getting teams off the field and that starts with a consistent pass rush that we have not had since 2007.
Interesting that they ran a lot of hurry-no huddle and lead the league in TOP. You would think the defense should be better as they were more rested. Perhaps they would have been much worse otherwise. I agreed with your OP, and think the defense is what needs improving, but I think my point is still valid. A better defense=more rush attempts and vice versa.
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Interesting that they ran a lot of hurry-no huddle and lead the league in TOP. You would think the defense should be better as they were more rested. Perhaps they would have been much worse otherwise. I agreed with your OP, and think the defense is what needs improving, but I think my point is still valid. A better defense=more rush attempts and vice versa.
I didnt say they lead the league in TOP, I said they were higher than most, they lead the league in first downs as well as length of drive...just because they hurry up does not mean Brady is not using most of the time while the team is lined up, he often does. I understand what you are saying, but I think a better defense leads to scores being lower which means you are not passing as much trying to keep up with scoring so it works out that you will often run more. The point of what I said was, our rushing amounts have had zero to do with winning the superbowl.
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I didnt say they lead the league in TOP, I said they were higher than most, they lead the league in first downs as well as length of drive...just because they hurry up does not mean Brady is not using most of the time while the team is lined up, he often does. I understand what you are saying, but I think a better defense leads to scores being lower which means you are not passing as much trying to keep up with scoring so it works out that you will often run more. The point of what I said was, our rushing amounts have had zero to do with winning the superbowl.
I just looked, pats were 11th in TOP last year, which could have had to do with the defense not getting off the field. Its funny, in 2003 it was their worst rushing season and they were 6th.
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I just looked, pats were 11th in TOP last year, which could have had to do with the defense not getting off the field. Its funny, in 2003 it was their worst rushing season and they were 6th.
1st in 1st downs, 1st in rushing attempts, and 1st in points scored---I would think they would be at the top in TOP too.
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I understand what you are saying, but I think a better defense leads to scores being lower which means you are not passing as much trying to keep up with scoring so it works out that you will often run more.
Agreed, depending on the gameplan. The Pats are more aggressive than other teams vs good defenses like when the Pats play the Steelers-- usually they spread it out and light em up. Taken to the extreme, if a team runs for 0 yards on every play the only help the defense is getting is wasted clock.


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point of what I said was, our rushing amounts have had zero to do with winning the superbowl.
I think your rushing stats and attempts generally suck in your playoff losses, actually. I know in 2007 you guys had a nice running drive the 1st quarter, then nearly completely abandoned the run afterward. That didn't make sense to me because the offensive line in pass protection was getting manhandled.

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Agreed, depending on the gameplan. The Pats are more aggressive than other teams vs good defenses like when the Pats play the Steelers-- usually they spread it out and light em up. Taken to the extreme, if a team runs for 0 yards on every play the only help the defense is getting is wasted clock.



I think your rushing stats and attempts generally suck in your playoff losses, actually. I know in 2007 you guys had a nice running drive the 1st quarter, then nearly completely abandoned the run afterward. That didn't make sense to me because the offensive line in pass protection was getting manhandled.

yeah but again that is circumstance, if something is not working the pats will go away from it, especially the run game, they just will not pound their heads into a wall over and over trying to run, especially now because every drive was just so important we did not have the option of running twice into a wall and then going 3 and out. The Patriots run when they have a lead or they are trying to get a team off balance, but if it is not working, we do not have a plan B, except to let Brady throw 50 times...and most of the time that works, but you better not be missing your best pass catcher and the only physical guy that can go down the field like we have the last two years, but a physical defense makes mush out of our outside receivers.
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