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Old 06-11-2018, 05:35 AM   #76
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With cooks gone, hogan goes back to his routes from 2016. He stats healthier and is more productive there - will not draw the penalties cooks did but will have 800 plus yards
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Dunno. He had almost identical production from 2016, except he was down 5 yards a catch. Because of Edelman not being there, maybe? Because of Cooks, I dunno, another explanation could be he's just lost speed and couldn't get open.

He was pretty damned useless last year, on a team that could really have used him. Minimal production in the regular season, invisible in the playoffs. This was a guy who was putting up Julio Jones numbers in the playoffs in 2016.
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Old 06-11-2018, 05:48 AM   #77
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Edelman is fine. We've already seen that.

Hogan's shoulder injury was far worse than what was reported. He should return to his previous production.

Mitchell is a huge question mark. He obviously isn't where he needs to be yet but BB has already filled the void.

Matthews is a very talented guy; don't sleep on him.

Britt was an emergency signing for depth last year with an eye to this year. He's worked hard to get on board and the coaches have noticed his dedication.

Patterson's back is against the wall as a WR but he wasn't used correctly in Minny or Oakland. Although he's fast, his strength is YAC. Sit back and watch.



"Brady can't throw to Gronkowski on every play."

No, but there's also White, Burkhead and Michel coming out of the backfield.


"Bedard said it himself. The defense is ahead of the offense right now. To me, that's pretty terrifying, considering where they were last year."

Brady's had 3 days. No pads. I'm not worried.
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Old 06-11-2018, 06:23 AM   #78
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"Brady can't throw to Gronkowski on every play."

No, but there's also White, Burkhead and Michel coming out of the backfield.
That's the 'last 6 weeks of 2013' offense.

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Brady's had 3 days. No pads. I'm not worried.
Brady's had 3 days. No pads. Gronkowski's had 3 days. No pads. There are several people on offense who actually aren't familiar with it, and the two biggest contracts on the team can't be bothered to show up outside of their bare minimum contractual requirements.

Know when the last time Brady missed a passing camp was? Never. This year he's skipping two.

You may not be worried. I admire your confidence. I'm very worried. Not necessarily that Brady will be bad (although to expect him to step off the bus and put up 100+ QB ratings with a brand new cast of characters will be...challenging) - but that the rest of the offense will have been catching passes from Brian Cassell-Mallett and Danny CampArm to this point.
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Dunno. He had almost identical production from 2016, except he was down 5 yards a catch. Because of Edelman not being there, maybe? Because of Cooks, I dunno, another explanation could be he's just lost speed and couldn't get open.

He was pretty damned useless last year, on a team that could really have used him. Minimal production in the regular season, invisible in the playoffs. This was a guy who was putting up Julio Jones numbers in the playoffs in 2016.
or he ran a different set of routes that had him not going as deep down the field.

or injury.
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Dunno. He had almost identical production from 2016, except he was down 5 yards a catch. Because of Edelman not being there, maybe? Because of Cooks, I dunno, another explanation could be he's just lost speed and couldn't get open.

He was pretty damned useless last year, on a team that could really have used him. Minimal production in the regular season, invisible in the playoffs. This was a guy who was putting up Julio Jones numbers in the playoffs in 2016.
That's how it looked to me, too. I suppose it's possible that a bad enough shoulder injury could prevent you from running your best, but I'm not sure if I'm buying that.

The 2016 version of Hogan could run and he had a knack for getting WIDE open. Last year there were defenders on him like a bulldog on a mailman. Something was definitely up and he should have some questions to answer as to whether it was the shoulder or something else and I don't think it was simply more game planning to shut him down.

We need him. That's for sure. This WR corps is looking like a disaster waiting to happen to me. We've got guys at TE and RB that can get involved, but the perimeter might be shrinking a bit without Cooks.

I'll believe that Dorsett will help when I see him beat somebody when they are paying attention to him. 3 years in the league and he averages about 1.5 catches per game and a TD per year.
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Could be moot.


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Report: Julian Edelman PED Test Showed Unknown Substance, Analyzed by Scientists

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There's a reason the source of Julian Edelman's failed drug test has not leaked yet: No one seems to know what it was.

Albert Breer of Sports Illustrated reported Edelman's positive test was "triggered by a substance that wasn’t immediately recognizable, and there are scientists analyzing it."

Edelman, 32, is currently appealing the four-game ban for his violation of the NFL's performance-enhancing drug policy.
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Old 06-11-2018, 08:33 AM   #82
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Report: Julian Edelman PED Test Showed Unknown Substance, Analyzed by Scientists

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There's a reason the source of Julian Edelman's failed drug test has not leaked yet: No one seems to know what it was.

Albert Breer of Sports Illustrated reported Edelman's positive test was "triggered by a substance that wasn’t immediately recognizable, and there are scientists analyzing it."

Edelman, 32, is currently appealing the four-game ban for his violation of the NFL's performance-enhancing drug policy.
Great. Guerrero has him on some mutant hybrid DNA crap.
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Old 06-11-2018, 08:35 AM   #83
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I don’t know how the system works wrt testing/failing but I’d have a hard time believing he can be suspended for something not on the list in the off-season.

For instance Aderall and Sudafed are banned DURING the play season. I believe they are allowed in the off season.

Now the real drama begins. Is it some over the counter not to included in the testing regimen? Or are we at the doorway to Balco II, with the new age cream/clear?

God I hope not...
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https://www.google.com/amp/s/syndica...tists.amp.html

Report: Julian Edelman PED Test Showed Unknown Substance, Analyzed by Scientists

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There's a reason the source of Julian Edelman's failed drug test has not leaked yet: No one seems to know what it was.

Albert Breer of Sports Illustrated reported Edelman's positive test was "triggered by a substance that wasn’t immediately recognizable, and there are scientists analyzing it."

Edelman, 32, is currently appealing the four-game ban for his violation of the NFL's performance-enhancing drug policy.
it was Alex' new hooch, all natural made up of artificial ingredients only a monosyllabic expert could understand!!

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Report: Julian Edelman PED Test Showed Unknown Substance, Analyzed by Scientists

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There's a reason the source of Julian Edelman's failed drug test has not leaked yet: No one seems to know what it was.

Albert Breer of Sports Illustrated reported Edelman's positive test was "triggered by a substance that wasn’t immediately recognizable, and there are scientists analyzing it."

Edelman, 32, is currently appealing the four-game ban for his violation of the NFL's performance-enhancing drug policy.
It's called BaneJuice dwight.
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It's called BaneJuice dwight.
Will that make him talk really cool?
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https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.co...ble-substance/

So how can you be busted for PEDs when the testing lab can't identify what the substance was?

I mean you can certainly investigate suspicious findings, by how can you actually suspend someone for "I dunno, something"
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Yes. Also potentially start revolutions and take over Gotham City.
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So how can you be busted for PEDs when the testing lab can't identify what the substance was?

I mean you can certainly investigate suspicious findings, by how can you actually suspend someone for "I dunno, something"
Ummm...have you already forgotten about two season ago?
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Yes. Also potentially start revolutions and take over Gotham City.
Cool.

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Nice life resume.
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