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Old 09-26-2019, 09:53 AM   #31
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He's not Hillary.

Actually though, I suspect our Canadian friend does not understand that impeachment is a political construct, not a legal one.

That is a President does not have to commit a "crime" to be impeached.

All it requires is that the Members of the House believe that the POTUS has acted in a fashion that means they should be removed from office.

I would venture to say that for many on the left the mere fact that Trump is sitting behind the Resolute desk is sufficient grounds for impeachment.

By the same token, there were likely many on the right who felt the same way about Obama.

Then the left against GWB, the right against Bill Clinton, etc. etc. etc.

The simple fact of the matter is that letting such animosity rise to the point where the fantasy becomes reality, does pose significant political risk.

If there is not a broad consensus amongst the population to go forward with impeachment, the ruling party in the House could pay the price at the polls.

Just look at how the Clinton impeachment went.

So the Dems are potentially riding the tiger if they tilt at this windmill (did I mix enough metaphors there?)
Let me ask you this, have you ever seen hate towards a president at this level? I don't think this hatred level even comes close to any other president.
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Old 09-26-2019, 10:00 AM   #32
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Try actually reading my post instead of just seeing the keyword "Russiagate" and assuming I was one of the idiots who fell for it.
My Twitter comprehension missed. I took him at first read as a Russiagate supporter. My bad.
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Old 09-26-2019, 10:02 AM   #33
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Let me ask you this, have you ever seen hate towards a president at this level? I don't think this hatred level even comes close to any other president.
My hatred of 0bama never came close to this level.
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Let me ask you this, have you ever seen hate towards a president at this level? I don't think this hatred level even comes close to any other president.
They’re trying to manipulate the transcript into strongarm/extortion. The very thing 3 Dems did blatantly by threatening to withhold Relief Aid package if Dems weren’t supported.

So sad. The level of depravity in this party has no bottom.
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Old 09-26-2019, 10:22 AM   #35
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They’re trying to manipulate the transcript into strongarm/extortion. The very thing 3 Dems did blatantly by threatening to withhold Relief Aid package if Dems weren’t supported.

So sad. The level of depravity in this party has no bottom.
hand them the microphone and turn the spotlight on them. Let 'em put on a show for everybody.
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Old 09-26-2019, 10:31 AM   #36
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They’re trying to manipulate the transcript into strongarm/extortion. The very thing 3 Dems did blatantly by threatening to withhold Relief Aid package if Dems weren’t supported.

So sad. The level of depravity in this party has no bottom.
They will either hit rock bottom or dissolve as a party.
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Schiff describes whistleblower complaint as 'most graphic evidence yet' against Trump

https://thehill.com/policy/national-...aphic-evidence



In a funny kind of way, Schiff may actually be right. This just might be the most graphic evidence the Democrats have actually been able to come up with after 3 years of trying.....which is saying something....because there is almost nothing there....but at least there is something on paper and official that can be called "evidence", which is a vast improvement over everything else Schiff has trumpeted the last 3 years...
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My hatred of 0bama never came close to this level.
I was never a fan of Obama but I never hated the guy. I understand there were some that did but from what I saw most people went about their daily lives and didn't get unhinged at every little thing he did. This shit with Trump is unprecedented.
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Look, if the Democrats want to impeach Trump for this phone call, then they cannot continue to run a candidate who did exactly the same thing. Biden has to go.

If that is part of their plan, that attempting to take down Trump is worth sacrificing Biden, so be it.

But let's be real. This is a political move, not a moral or ethical one. Otherwise they would have strung up Uncle Joe for doing what he did and bragging about it.

Deep down in their hearts (if they still have them), Democrats know there is no issue with that phone call. Presidents (and Congressional members) have made those types of calls for decades upon decades, and they will continue to do so. And Democrats are willing to damage the country with further and constant division in an attempt to gain back power.

This is ONLY about power.

(And what is bearing out to be the only crime Trump really did commit: defeating GCF.)
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I was never a fan of Obama but I never hated the guy. I understand there were some that did but from what I saw most people went about their daily lives and didn't get unhinged at every little thing he did. This shit with Trump is unprecedented.
I hated him because of what he was. A racist, Commie skidmark. He wouldn't have been able to pass the background check to be a janitor in the White House. That being said, it never approached anything like what we're seeing from the Left and that's because I'm a rational, logical human being. Their side is completely bereft of those.
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I was never a fan of Obama but I never hated the guy. I understand there were some that did but from what I saw most people went about their daily lives and didn't get unhinged at every little thing he did. This shit with Trump is unprecedented.
yeah the hate was real but it was not as media driven.

but then again the media is not driven by news anymore, but by clicks and income based on clicks. Social Media is the root of most of this evil, any asshat with a computer can get himself a blog, or cut and post some other dingbats blog, that leans either way, and post it where ever they want as a fact.
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I hated him because of what he was. A racist, Commie skidmark. He wouldn't have been able to pass the background check to be a janitor in the White House. That being said, it never approached anything like what we're seeing from the Left and that's because I'm a rational, logical human being. Their side is completely bereft of those.
And they think rational thinking citizens will want to join their party or vote for their candidate, even with they way they have been behaving since Trump was elected. I've voted Dem a few times over the years but those days are long gone, never again.
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In light of Thursday's public release of a 'whistleblower' complaint, who was "not a witness to most of hte events described" in their allegation that President Trump abused his office to request that Ukraine investigate former Vice President Joe Biden's dealings in the country, former CIA analyst and National Security Council (NSC) official Fred Fleitz has provided his take on the whole thing via Twitter.

Notably, Fleitz - CEO of the Center for Security Policy - points out that "The way this complaint was written suggested the author had a lot of help," adding "I know from my work on the House Intel Commitee staff that many whistleblowers go directly to the intel oversight committees. Did this whistleblower first meet with House Intel committee members?"

Fleitz then writes that "that this whistleblower complaint is too convenient and too perfect to come from a typical whistleblower," adding "Were other IC officers involved? Where outside groups opposed to the president involved?"

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1/ As a former CIA analyst and former NSC official who edited transcripts of POTUS phone calls with foreign leaders, here are my thoughts on the whistleblower complaint which was just released. . . intelligence.house.gov/uploadedfiles/…

2/ This is not an intelligence matter. It is a policy matter and a complaint about differences over policy. Presidential phone calls are not an intelligence concern. The fact that IC officers transcribe these calls does not give the IC IG jusrisdiction over these calls.

3/ It appears that rules restricting access and knowledge of these sensitive calls was breached. This official was not on this call, not on the approved dissem list and should not have been briefed on the call.

4/ The way this complaint was written suggested the author had a lot of help. I know from my work on the House Intel Commitee staff that many whistleblowers go directly to the intel oversight committees. Did this whistleblower first meet with House Intel committee members?

5/ It is therefore important that Congress find out where this complaint came from. What did House and Senate intel committee dem members and staff know about it and when? Did they help orchestrate this complaint?

6/ My view is that this whistleblower complaint is too convenient and too perfect to come from a typical whistleblower. Were other IC officers involved? Where outside groups opposed to the president involved?

7/ This complaint will further damage IC relations with the White House for many years to come because IC officers appear to be politicizing presidential phone calls with foreign officials and their access to the president and his activities in the White House.

8/ Worst of all, this IC officer -- and probably others -- have blatantly crossed the line into policy. This violates a core responsibility of IC officers is to inform, but not make policy.

9/ This is such a grevious violation of trust between the IC and the White House that it would not surprise me if IC officers are barred from all access to POTUS phone calls with foreign officials.

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I pegged him as a phony from day one. But I didn’t hate him until all the sleazy facts about his administration came out. I knew Obamacare was total BS and remember one poster here who wasted years of his life singing the praises of it. Like most D creations it didn’t work out so well. No one has learned anything from that debacle.
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