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Old 09-18-2019, 12:09 PM   #16
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I’m not sure we’d be left out of it if SA responds.

Iran would consider us complicit in their reactions regardless of what we say or do.

They would view SA’s actions the same way we would view an attack on US forces by any of Iran’s proxies in the region.

So the question would then be, how does Iran respond to that.

Do they attack US forces?

Would they do so directly or use one of their proxies?

Then how would we respond?
If our forces are attacked, we respond. Until then, no.

Just because we have interests all across the globe doesn't mean we need to jump in the middle of every fight across the globe. Countries need to learn to fend for themselves and to request help only if they need it.
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If our forces are attacked, we respond. Until then, no.

Just because we have interests all across the globe doesn't mean we need to jump in the middle of every fight across the globe. Countries need to learn to fend for themselves and to request help only if they need it.
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The US needs to end it's relationship with Saudi Arabia.

They are not pro freedom, are one of the largest state sponsors of terrorism and honestly those oil fields both in SA and Iran belong to western countries by right.

Both countries nationalized their oil fields after the western countries paid for and developed the land they considered useless.
I concur.

In fact, Saudi Arabia funds terrorism on a scale that Iran can't even begin to dream about. I would guess it is something like an order of magnitude greater....10 to 1.

However, we have to support and remain tied to Saudi Arabia because the bulk of the value of the US dollar is at Saudi Arabia's mercy.

And...if I had to guess...the drones are, indeed, of Iranian make and model, but likely launched by Israeli or Saudi agents. It's basically the new version of "Assad used chemical attacks"...false flags created by our own allies designed to draw the US in deeper into the region's affairs. That's far more likely than Iran just deciding that it would be really good for them to launch arbitrary strikes that do minimal damage into Saudi Arabia. People will believe virtually any horseshit narrative presented to them on the news, though. Doesn't matter how unlikely or irrational it is. People just download, they don't actually think and consider.

I don't rule Iran out, I just think that Iran being the actual, willing agent of destruction here is one of the least logical and least likely scenarios.

Also, whenever the politicians come out and state with certainty that they know who it was 5 seconds after the attack, that's an indication that there is a storm of bullshit rolling in.

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The attack was launched by some global warming/climate change nut...
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If our forces are attacked, we respond. Until then, no.

Just because we have interests all across the globe doesn't mean we need to jump in the middle of every fight across the globe. Countries need to learn to fend for themselves and to request help only if they need it.
OK, either I wasn't clear, or I didn't understand the full meaning of your post.

As I understood your post, you seemed to be saying that if SA thought it was appropriate, they should respond to the attack. That it was up to them to respond and if they did, we would not be "mixed up" in it.

My point was that if SA does retaliate against Iran, Iran is likely to blame us, the same way we would blame Iran, for the actions of any of Iran's proxies in the region.

I was not suggesting that we should, or should not, do anything about this attack.

Simply, that if SA does do something, Iran will likely consider it the same as if we had taken action on our own.

As such, IMHO, from Iran's perspective, there is no difference between a retaliation by SA or us.
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Likely.

Likely we'll never know one way or the other.
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And your evidence for this is what exactly?
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History.
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He wants fake news "evidence" though...
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OK, name three examples.
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OK, name three examples.
The Explosion of the USS Maine, leading to the Spanish-American war

One that was planned but never happened: Operation Northwoods.

The Gulf of Tonkin incident to get the United States into Vietnam

Incubator Babies to get the U.S. into Iraq the first time.

Weapons of Mass Destruction to get the U.S. into Iraq the second time.

The Douma chemical attack in Syria to increase public opinion on toppling Assad.

The alleged "Iranian" attack on Japanese oil tankers in the Gulf of Oman.

Too many in Venezuela to even count.
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I won't comment on the others but people in Venezuela are eating their pets. Not sure exactly where you're going with this one.
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