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Old 09-15-2019, 02:23 PM   #5596
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Yeah, people sometimes forget that teens tend to be dumbasses who participate in irresponsible and destructive behaviors from time to time, even the smart ones. And as such when teens want something they find a way to get it. My friends and I found ways to get smokes, pot, acid, shrooms, speed, booze and all sorts of things I wasn't allowed to legally obtain, possess or use...kids today are no different.



Of the people I know that vape, all are adults @ or near my age and all vape flavored e-liquid at least some of the time. Adults drive the flavored e-liquid market, just like they drive the e-liquid market as a whole. So basically what I am hearing is we are going to legislate a product off the market based on actions of a few people who aren't even allowed to have it, therefore taking it away it from the vast majority who ARE allowed to have it? Yeah, that shit never works but i'm sure it will work this time...





Bullshit, youíre showing your ignorance again.
I see teenagers vaping. ALL THE TIME.
Why is the governor of MI banning flavored vaping?
MA will soon , most likely, as well.

Because itís all about the teenagers.

If you want to vape, use the tobacco flavored ones. Not the ones designed to lure in new addicts.


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Old 09-15-2019, 03:33 PM   #5597
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Bullshit, youíre showing your ignorance again.
I see teenagers vaping. ALL THE TIME.
Why is the governor of MI banning flavored vaping?
MA will soon , most likely, as well.

Because itís all about the teenagers.

If you want to vape, use the tobacco flavored ones. Not the ones designed to lure in new addicts.


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So flavored e-liquid IS the hill you wish to die on in you "save the children" crusade. Okay, whatever lol.

Meanwhile, back @ the ranch...

https://www.google.com/search?rlz=1C...4dUDCAs&uact=5

https://liquidnicotinewholesalers.co...-make-e-liquid


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Old 09-15-2019, 04:43 PM   #5598
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Bullshit, youíre showing your ignorance again.
I see teenagers vaping. ALL THE TIME.
Why is the governor of MI banning flavored vaping?
MA will soon , most likely, as well.

Because itís all about the teenagers.

If you want to vape, use the tobacco flavored ones. Not the ones designed to lure in new addicts.


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Because the are totalitarian statists. Vaping, while addictive is almost 100% harmless.

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Old 09-15-2019, 06:17 PM   #5599
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Bullshit, youíre showing your ignorance again.
I see teenagers vaping. ALL THE TIME.
Why is the governor of MI banning flavored vaping?
MA will soon , most likely, as well.

Because itís all about the teenagers.

If you want to vape, use the tobacco flavored ones. Not the ones designed to lure in new addicts.


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Man, you are educated and I have great respect what you do. But you are coming from an educated place on this subject.

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Old 09-15-2019, 06:43 PM   #5600
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Man, you are educated and I have great respect what you do. But you are coming from an educated place on this subject.

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Hey now, you don't know how this works.

My use of anecdotal evidence to form my opinions is ignorance.
PF09's use of anecdotal evidence to form his is perfectly fine heh.

Here is a scenario to ponder:

90% plus of all e-liquids @ the local vape shop are flavors other than tobacco. Only adults are allowed to legally buy these products and the devices and peripherals that go with them.

20% of the 20 million high school aged kids vape, but could've only vaped once in the last 30 days to qualify as a vape user in these studies. Same thing for the approximate 5% of the like 12 million middle school aged kids. That means maybe 4.6 million kids age 12-18 vaped at least once in the last 30 days.

Meanwhile, around 5% of the approximate 200 million adults 19-64 vape (and these studies were about regular users of vape products, not people who vaped once in the last 30 days). That means nearly 10 million people in this demographic vape on a regular basis (which means much more than once a month heh).

Taking ALL of these FACTS into consideration, which demographic would you think these flavored products are marketed to and which demographic would you say drives the market?

I think the answer is self evident, yet there are others who would buck all logic and convention under the flag of saving "the children".
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Old 09-15-2019, 07:48 PM   #5601
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Bullshit, youíre showing your ignorance again.
I see teenagers vaping. ALL THE TIME.
Why is the governor of MI banning flavored vaping?
MA will soon , most likely, as well.

Because itís all about the teenagers.

If you want to vape, use the tobacco flavored ones. Not the ones designed to lure in new addicts.


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Why isnít it on the stores in your opinion?

Suspend their license a week to operate first offense sale to minor.

Second = a month.

Third they close shop.

Thatíll get them to halt sales to minors.
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Old 09-15-2019, 08:50 PM   #5602
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Because the are totalitarian statists. Vaping, while addictive is almost 100% harmless.

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Sure it is. Too bad there are no long term studies , eh? Just several deaths and many (450+) reported other serious health issues.
In just a few short years, with many other issues to be discovered , Iím sure.


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Popcorn lung sounds like fun...
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Please ban this emoji please.
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Popcorn lung sounds like fun...
Yep, thats why cigarette smoking is so dangerous compared to vaping.

It's called pop-corn lung because the primary ingredient that causes it, diacetyl, made people sick at factories which used it as a flavoring in microwave pop-corn. It made some people sick as it was used in pretty high concentrations and there was direct exposure.

Diacetyl is also used in regular cigarettes, at levels 750 times higher than e-liquids. I don't remember ever hearing about a pop-corn lung epidemic among cigarette smokers. I am left to believe after doing my own due diligence on the matter that those who vape are fairly safe from the scourge of "pop-corn lung", at least in relative terms.
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Safe relative to cigarette smoking.

I smoked. I know firsthand how tough it is to shake it.

But vaping should still be a stepping stone to weening oneself to just breathing clean air.

Inhalation of any chemicals in this day and age is loaded with risk and often coupled with irrevocable damage.
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I know it's safe but that's not my issue with the ban. It's an individual rights thing.
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The notion of a vaping ban is entirely outside the purview of the federal government. I oppose it on principle and with the 10th amendment.
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Agree.

Let the people make choices. Enforce the current restrictions properly. Punish offenders accordingly and harshly.

A $5000 fine for sale of vape to minors will discourage that market.
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