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Old 06-16-2016, 10:55 AM   #16
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Or Texas allowing Washington DC to control it's immigration?

I don't see much difference - power is usurped to a central body, only it's in Europe.
This is true as well, assuming one accepts the 'citizens of Europe' mentality and equates the European Union with the American union of states.

European integration has been a long, long process that began decades ago. It's obviously gone through many different phases, projects and failures, but I don't think there's anything inherently wrong with a central European government if that's what the member states are seeking to create.

Britain is an interesting case because for so long it rejected the need for integration with Europe. Others on the mainland (like France) have been supporters on and off since nearly the beginning, so it makes sense that their governments and citizens may be more heavily invested. Britain is a different and altogether more interesting case.
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What's wrong with that, eh?
Yeah, what could go wrong by turning over our immigration policies to a naive moron more focused on virtue signaling than the realities of running a country.

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Bitches.

Just let me in and I'll be happy!
Dude, your PM is terrible. And I say that as a citizen of a country who will likely have to choose between Donald Trump and Hillary Clinton.
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Dude, your PM is terrible. And I say that as a citizen of a country who will likely have to choose between Donald Trump and Hillary Clinton.
Trust me, I'm well aware. I didn't vote for that clown.

It's even worse living here. He's a disaster but has a superb PR team so the ing left wingers here gobble up everything he does - lots of benefit of the doubt and excuses for his already numerous broken promises and stupid decisions.

He reminded me of Obama. The left was so unhappy with Bush (Harper) that they looked to Obama (Trudeau) as a savior who would "change" politics and restore glory to the country. In both cases, people were mostly just swindled by superior PR teams and outlandish promises.
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Old 06-16-2016, 11:32 AM   #19
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Trust me, I'm well aware. I didn't vote for that clown.

It's even worse living here. He's a disaster but has a superb PR team so the ing left wingers here gobble up everything he does - lots of benefit of the doubt and excuses for his already numerous broken promises and stupid decisions.

He reminded me of Obama. The left was so unhappy with Bush (Harper) that they looked to Obama (Trudeau) as a savior who would "change" politics and restore glory to the country. In both cases, people were mostly just swindled by superior PR teams and outlandish promises.
He reminds me of a dumb 19 year old back from his first semester at college who can't stop talking about ideas he doesn't really understand beyond "it sounds good!"
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He reminds me of a dumb 19 year old back from his first semester at college who can't stop talking about ideas he doesn't really understand beyond "it sounds good!"
Yup.

I don't know where we will be in a few years, but I doubt it'll be anywhere good based on his first few months. But his public support remains high because he is good at paying lip service to social issues that matter to his supporters. He's lost when it comes to economics, foreign policy, etc., but his PR team knows how to keep people looking the other way.

Problem is, in the last election there weren't many better choices. The 3rd party candidate is a no-go because the NDP is a ****ing disaster of a political party. It's just a few steps from advocating communism and would literally bankrupt the country trying to implement endless social programs.

The incumbent PM of the Conservative Party was fine IMO. He wasn't doing a great job, but the country weathered the 2008 crisis quite well (way better than you guys) and the economy's recent downturn (due to oil) was a gamble he took that not many argued against at the time. Lots he could have done better, but people acted like he was destroying the country because he wasn't a hardcore liberal. He didn't support gay marriage or abortion, but he and his party were NEVER going to try to change policy on those issues. Still, he was blasted for those types of 'gaffs' on social issues, which is where Trudeau was strong. So now we're stuck with a trendy PM who boxes, takes a billion vacation days for 'work-life balance' and farts rainbows on all social issues. But is ****ing derp when it comes to issues that actually matter.

Our entire continent is filled with shitty politicians being voted in by uninformed morons. Sad days.
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‘Brexit’ campaigning on hold as police confirm death of British MP shot in West Yorkshire

http://www.marketwatch.com/story/bri...ry_latest_news

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Yup.

I don't know where we will be in a few years, but I doubt it'll be anywhere good based on his first few months. But his public support remains high because he is good at paying lip service to social issues that matter to his supporters. He's lost when it comes to economics, foreign policy, etc., but his PR team knows how to keep people looking the other way.

Problem is, in the last election there weren't many better choices. The 3rd party candidate is a no-go because the NDP is a ****ing disaster of a political party. It's just a few steps from advocating communism and would literally bankrupt the country trying to implement endless social programs.

The incumbent PM of the Conservative Party was fine IMO. He wasn't doing a great job, but the country weathered the 2008 crisis quite well (way better than you guys) and the economy's recent downturn (due to oil) was a gamble he took that not many argued against at the time. Lots he could have done better, but people acted like he was destroying the country because he wasn't a hardcore liberal. He didn't support gay marriage or abortion, but he and his party were NEVER going to try to change policy on those issues. Still, he was blasted for those types of 'gaffs' on social issues, which is where Trudeau was strong. So now we're stuck with a trendy PM who boxes, takes a billion vacation days for 'work-life balance' and farts rainbows on all social issues. But is ****ing derp when it comes to issues that actually matter.

Our entire continent is filled with shitty politicians being voted in by uninformed morons. Sad days.
Gee, kind of sounds like someone we know. lol
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‘Brexit’ campaigning on hold as police confirm death of British MP shot in West Yorkshire

http://www.marketwatch.com/story/bri...ry_latest_news

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Jesus, that doesn't sound sketchy...
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Jesus, that doesn't sound sketchy...
Wait till you see this...

Eyewitnesses claim the gunman shouted 'Britain first' as he carried out the horrific attack on Ms Cox.

However, Britain First - a British nationalist political party which campaigns against immigration, multiculturalism and Islam - has now distanced itself from the attack and denied any connection.

The group's leader, former British National Party councillor Paul Golding, claimed the attacker could have shouted 'It's time to put Britain first', as he dismissed eyewitness accounts as 'hearsay'.

The leader of the far right party said: 'She has been out campaigning to keep Britain in the EU and there are people in the area that are against it.

'I don't think it was one of our supporters. We stand in elections and organise protests - we don't encourage this kind of nonsense.

'She has a young family - an attack on a mum like that is disgraceful.

'Whether you agree with Labour, to have had that happen to her on the streets is shocking and an indictment of the state of this country.'

In a video message released following the announcement that Ms Cox had died from her injuries, he added: 'This is a terrible day for our democracy, for our parliamentary system. Our MPs are the representatives of the people and they have been for over 400 years now.

'So this is a very dark day for our country and for our democracy. We do not know what was said. At the moment, it is pure hearsay.

'It's an attack on a mother, it's an attack on our parliamentary system. It's just a downright act of criminality on the streets of Yorkshire. That's what we believe, that's what we think.

'I hope the person who carried out this heinous crime gets what he deserves.'

Britain First also issued a statement denying any involvement, suggesting that the phrase 'could have been a slogan rather than a reference to our party'.

A spokesman said: 'Britain First obviously is not involved and would never encourage behaviour of this sort.'

Britain First, which was founded in 2011 by Jim Downson, an anti-abortion campaigner linked to Ulster loyalist militants, is in favour of preserving what it deems 'traditional British culture'.

The movement first attracted attention by protesting outside homes of alleged Islamists. It has also been known to carry out 'Christian patrols' and 'invasions' of British mosques and is known for online activism.

It has contested elections to the House of Commons, the European Parliament and the mayoralty of London, but has not held any elected posts.

The group is also against immigration - an issue which Ms Cox has spoken positively about. It has raised suspicions that her attacker was opposing her political views when he fatally shot her.

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If there is anything we can learn from what Europe is dealing with right now is that we need to bring more than just pure intentions to the table when we discuss immigration and what to do with these refugees.
The refugee crisis is mostly made up, fwiw.
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My point isn't that there weren't a whole lot of asylum seekers in the EU, but that the number of refugee statuses given weren't inordinately high in comparison to previous years and I doubt that the EU has the capacity to absorb the amount of people coming in.
That's not to make light of the people dying in the Mediterranean Sea or anything, but the idea that Europe is currently being draped in a burka is not entirely accurate, IMO.
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Fwiw, Jo Cox (whether you like Labour or not) was an outstanding person from everything I've read about her.
**** some nutcase killing her, irrespective of motive.
Also, **** exploiting her death for political gain. There are plenty of good reasons for the UK to remain, which would be more than enough if David Cameron wasn't a ****ing tool who stuck his dick in a dead pig's head.
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This from yesterday...before the assassination of Labour MP Jo Cox.

Pound slumps as fresh Ipsos MORI poll shows surge in Brexit support

http://www.marketwatch.com/story/pou...-16?siteid=rss

And also...(excerpts from second link)..

In a dramatic turnaround since May, some 53 per cent now want to leave and 47 per cent want to stay, excluding don’t knows.

It is the first time since David Cameron pledged the referendum in January 2013 that Vote Leave have come out ahead in the respected monthly Ipsos MORI telephone survey, which is exclusive to the Evening Standard.

Immigration has overtaken the economy as the most important issue to how the public will vote, which is a significant boost to Boris Johnson and the Leave campaign.


Result is respondents who are all registered and most likely to vote, excluding don’t knows

The survey reveals massive distrust of claims made by politicians on both sides, but especially the predictions of doom after a Brexit made by Mr Cameron and Chancellor George Osborne, dubbed Project Fear by critics.

Among key findings are:

Only 17 per cent of people believe the Chancellor’s flagship claim that UK households will lose £4,300 and be permanently poorer after a Brexit, despite the analysis carrying the full weight of the Treasury. Some 70 per cent think it is a falsehood.
I guess Anderson falls within this 17%

Almost half believe Boris Johnson is telling the truth when he says that Britain sends £350 million a week to the EU, even though it has been criticised as misleading by independent experts. The claim is believed by 47 per cent and disbelieved by 39 per cent.

More people think they will be better off in five years outside the EU than inside, despite Government warnings of lost jobs and lower incomes if Britain leaves.

Immigration is now the most critical issue, cited as very important to their vote by 33 per cent, up five points in a month, including just over half of leave supporters.
Again, Anderson appears to be in the minority.
The economy has fallen to second place in the league table of important issues, down five points to 28 per cent.

A fifth of people say they might change their mind - which means the outcome is impossible to predict.


http://www.standard.co.uk/news/polit...-a3273141.html

Nothing wrong with being in the mionority, Anderson, I was just making observations.
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