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Old 10-10-2019, 05:35 PM   #451
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I'd say it's a strong indicator.

Aside from domestic propaganda, what, precisely, qualifies these countries as "Despotic" but excludes the United States? I'm curious what the standards are.
In America's foundling principles it is the only country that codified the protection of individual rights as sacrosanct therefore in it's original founding principles it's the only moral nation in history.

The fact that we aren't living up to that promise does not give us the moral equivalence of a tyrannical, anti-life, anti-west government.
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In America's foundling principles it is the only country that codified the protection of individual rights as sacrosanct therefore in it's original founding principles it's the only moral nation in history.

The fact that we aren't living up to that promise does not give us the moral equivalence of a tyrannical, anti-life, anti-west government.
So....in theory, but not in practice.

I can accept that.
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So....in theory, but not in practice.

I can accept that.
I don't buy into the theory/practice dichotomy. If it's legit in theory it's legit in practice.

This dichotomy has been used forever in the Communism debate and it is epically false.
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Old 10-11-2019, 08:18 AM   #454
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I don't buy into the theory/practice dichotomy. If it's legit in theory it's legit in practice.

This dichotomy has been used forever in the Communism debate and it is epically false.
So, as long as there is a piece of paper somewhere that says, in essence, "This is not a despotic nation", then the actual reality of the governance doesn't matter, the country cannot be considered despotic?

I must be confused by what you're trying to say.

Because if that's the case, then Nazi Germany was never a dictatorship because on paper it was always a democracy.

I'm sure that's not what you're saying.

At any rate, I take the opposite view, I think. Whatever is on paper is irrelevant, I judge a government strictly by it's actions. I don't need to know the history or what it's Constitution says to tell you whether it is despotic or not.

It kind of seems like you need to know a lot of stuff about a nation in order to figure out whether it is despotic or not. That doesn't make sense to me.
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‘Taking legal action’: Iraq pleads with UN to kick unauthorized US forces out of country

https://www.rt.com/news/471645-iraq-...elp-us-troops/

No details yet on the link....this is breaking now.

I'd be more than happy to get ALL of our troops out of Iraq today....

At the same time....Fuck the UN.
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Fine with me they leave. But say Donald Trump is in office. Say Trump disagrees with UN. Good luck with your kick, skippy.
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Turks appeased, Kurds saved, US gets breathing space: ‘Russia takes on job that US failed at’ in Syria

A Russian-Turkish deal on security arrangements in northeastern Syria is a major win for Moscow’s diplomatic approach, but Washington was hardly crushed by it, Middle East experts tell RT.

On Tuesday the security crisis in northeastern Syria, which was triggered by US President Donald Trump’s decision to withdraw troops embedded with Kurdish militias in the face of a looming Turkish crackdown, deflated. The breakthrough comes from Russia, where Turkish President Recep Tayyip Erdogan and his Russian host Vladimir Putin signed a short agreement on how security should be provided along the Syrian-Turkish border. So apparently Washington’s threat to use military force against its NATO ally Turkey won’t have to be backed by actual Tomahawk missile barrages.

The agreement provides for the withdrawal of Kurdish militias, whom Ankara considers terrorists, back from a border zone, with Syrian government forces stepping in as border guards. Turkey gets to keep, for now, the part of territory that it seized over the previous days, but is no longer trying to seize the entire length of the border with its many Kurdish settlements. Russian military police will be deployed as well, including for joint patrols with Turkish soldiers to ensure that everybody keeps calm and stays away from their enemies.

A win for Russian brand of diplomacy

The arrangement has proven that Russia can act as a mediator in a very complex situation and avert the worst outcomes, like massive loss of civilian life that many predicted could happen if the situation in northeastern Syria escalated, Grigory Lukyanov, senior lecturer at the Moscow-based Higher School of Economics, told RT.

“Russia is taking upon itself certain responsibilities that the United States failed to deliver, both to the Syrian Kurds and to Turkey,” he said. “That was taken in all seriousness in the region and elsewhere.”

The Syrian Kurds enjoyed American protection from Turkey after playing the role of ground forces for the US-backed military campaign targeting jihadists in Syria. But Ankara was irritated by the US arming and training Kurdish militias, seeing them as a threat to its national security. Washing hands of them subjected Trump to fierce criticism at home, with commenters accusing him of greenlighting a massacre. The Russian-Turkish deal seems to have averted that scenario.

“The main goal of the agreement was to suspend the military aspect of the Turkish Operation Spring of Peace,” Lukyanov said. “We’ll see how the deal is implemented in practice. As far as we know, both Turkish and Russian leadership have vested interest in the deal to work.”

Not much of a defeat for Washington

The expert warned against treating the development as a humiliating defeat for Washington, contrary to what some observers in the United States and in Russia say. “Seeing everything in the context of Russian-American relations is counterproductive. The situation in Syria proves it,” he explained.

The surprise American pullout puts it into a stronger negotiation position with Turkey and is actually half-hearted. Washington seems to have no intention to evacuate its military base from the Syrian-Jordanian border. And it will even keep military presence in the Kurdish lands, just not at the border with Turkey.

Of course “securing the oil” is morally a far worse justification for having boots on the ground than “defeating terrorists” or “protecting our allies,” Ruslan Mamedov, a Middle East analyst from the Russian International Affairs Council, a Moscow-based think-tank, told RT. The US president may try to score a few political points from taking those troops out closer to the 2020 election in the US.

“Trump may declare another withdrawal of troops from Syria as part of his reelection strategy just to say ‘I promised it and I have delivered.’ Even if in practice some of the troops stay,” he said.

The continued American military presence in Syria no longer serves the goals of US foreign policy, Lukyanov said. After all, Washington seems uninterested in how the post-war transition in the country will unfold.

“The Russian-Turkish deal, on the contrary, was signed by the sides directly involved in determining Syria’s future and interested in an expedited resolution of the conflict,” he said.

https://www.rt.com/news/471638-russi...-deal-winners/

Russian military to deploy to northeastern Syria

Russian military police have begun moving to Syria’s northeastern areas adjacent to the zone of Turkey’s Operation Peace Spring, the Russian Defense Ministry said in a statement on Wednesday.

“In accordance with agreements reached by the Russian and Turkish presidents in Sochi on October 22, a Russian military police convoy started moving towards the Syria-Turkey border today at noon,” the statement reads.

According to the Defense Ministry, military police units will work to ensure the safety of civilians and maintain law and order. They will also patrol the designated areas, assisting in the withdrawal of Kurdish forces.

On October 22, Presidents Vladimir Putin of Russia and Recep Tayyip Erdogan of Turkey reached an agreement to give 150 hours to the Kurdish-led People’s Protection Units to withdraw from a 30-km zone along the Syria-Turkey border. Once it is done, the Russian and Turkish military will launch joint patrols in the area.

https://www.almasdarnews.com/article...eastern-syria/

Amazing how stability is being established at lightning speed once the United States ends it's interventionist regime change occupation.

Just like that...and no more dead Americans, and no more truckloads of American taxpayer money funding jihadists. Everybody wins.
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‘Taking legal action’: Iraq pleads with UN to kick unauthorized US forces out of country

https://www.rt.com/news/471645-iraq-...elp-us-troops/

No details yet on the link....this is breaking now.

I'd be more than happy to get ALL of our troops out of Iraq today....

At the same time....Fuck the UN.
Agreed, we've been there entirely too long as it is, we've wasted enough American blood on a country that never wanted us there in the first place. Bring our boys home.
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Agreed, we've been there entirely too long as it is, we've wasted enough American blood on a country that never wanted us there in the first place. Bring our boys home.


I don’t disagree, but I was surprised to see that only 54 Americans have died over there, if I’m looking at the right stats.

3 civilians, 51 combatants .
But yes, get them out of there. Afghanistan completely too.

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Everyone Is Denouncing the Syrian Rebels Now Slaughtering Kurds. But Didn’t the U.S. Once Support Some of Them?

Question: What unites Lindsey Graham, Marco Rubio, Hillary Clinton, Samantha Power, Nancy Pelosi, David Petraeus, Tom Friedman, and the editorial board of the Washington Post?

Answer: Their support for arming what they called “moderate” Syrian rebel groups between 2013 and 2017.

In recent weeks, Syrian rebel groups described only as “Turkish-backed” have murdered and mutilated their way across Kurdish-controlled areas of northeastern Syria. These fighters are guilty of “war crimes,” declared U.S. Defense Secretary Mark Esper in a recent interview. “Those responsible should be held accountable,” Esper – or is it Esperanto? – told CNN’s Christiane Amanpour. “In many cases, the government of Turkey should be held accountable.”

I happen to agree with him. The government of Turkey has much to answer for, given that many of the horrific killings have been captured on camera. But I would like to see people in Washington, D.C., “held accountable” too. Top Democrats and Republicans have joined together to loudly — and rightly — lambast the Trump administration for abandoning their allies in the Kurdish-dominated Syrian Democratic Forces, or SDF. Clinton has decried the “sickening horror” of Kurdish men, women, and children being slaughtered by Turkish-backed groups, while the likes of Petraeus and Graham have accused these groups of “ethnic cleansing.” These politicians, however, have stayed conveniently silent on their own prior advocacy on behalf of many of these rebels, while journalists have shamefully refused to mention the U.S. government’s prior support for them.

Have we so quickly forgotten how the CIA backed a range of secular and Islamist militias to fight Assad, via the covert program Timber Sycamore, while the Pentagon vetted “moderate” fighters to fight ISIS via the congressionally-approved Train and Equip Program? The former, according to a U.S. official, led to the death or injury of 100,000 Syrian army troops and their allies, while the latter was coordinated with — wait for it — Turkey.

“The groups that were educated and equipped by the United States west of the Euphrates,” wrote Turkish journalist Fehim Tastekin for Al-Monitor, “are now fighting against the groups east of the Euphrates that have been also educated and equipped by the United States.”

You wouldn’t know this, though, from watching or reading the mainstream U.S. media. The New York Times described the Turkish-backed rebels only as “fighters the United States had long rejected as extremists, criminals and thugs.”

Denialism abounds. In the wake of the fourth Democratic presidential debate, I tweeted about the “hypocrisy” of top Democrats “who wanted to arm Syrian rebels, but now slam many of those same Syrian rebels.”




Charles Lister, an analyst with the Middle East Institute, called me “ill-informed.” The fighters killing Kurds, he claimed, “are not the same” as the Free Syrian Army, or FSA — aka the secular and “moderate” fighters who were openly backed by the West in the initial stages of the conflict.

Shane Bauer, a reporter with Mother Jones, said it was “extremely dishonest” of me “to conflate the FSA of 2012 and 2013 with the mercenaries fighting for Turkey now.”

There is some validity to this argument. Although some of the the Turkish-backed fighters currently attacking the Kurds did indeed fight with the FSA back in 2012 and 2013, some of them did not. “Many of these fighters were 10 years old when the conflict started,” as one critic of mine observed. Others noted how plenty of Syrian rebels were “radicalized” over the course of a bloody conflict in which the repressive Bashar Assad regime used chemical weapons, barrel bombs, starvation, and mass torture against them.

I don’t disagree. For the Russian government or Rep. Tulsi Gabbard to suggest that every Syrian rebel group began as an offshoot of Al Qaeda or the Islamic State group, filled only with “terrorists” or “jihadis,” is a lazy and cynical rewriting of history. The Syrian revolution began in March 2011 with nonviolent protests, from Deraa to Damascus, against a vicious dictator who responded with shocking violence. Young men such as Abdul Baset al-Sarout, the former goalkeeper in Syria’s national youth football team who was profiled in the acclaimed documentary Return To Homs, went from “leading chants in the streets in 2011,” as The Guardian noted, to reluctantly “becoming a battle-worn leader for the militia.” (He was killed this summer, fighting for an Islamist militia against government forces in the north of the country.)

Plenty of these Syrian rebels, both Arabs and Kurds, both Islamists and secularists, fought not only against the Assad government, but also against Al Qaeda and ISIS. There were, however, other rebel groups that were dominated by violent Salafists and so-called jihadis from the start and who bragged about fighting alongside Al Qaeda and ISIS. The truth is that many of the rebel forces now committing war crimes against the Kurds were also committing war crimes in the early years of the Syrian civil war.

And here’s the problem: It is an equally lazy and cynical rewriting of history to pretend that these groups have nothing to do with the United States, or were never backed by the U.S. government, in their current form or with their current personnel.

How else to explain Gen. Salim Idris? He’s the current defense minister in the self-styled Syrian Interim Government, or SIG, and commander of the Syrian National Army, or SNA, the ragtag force of Turkish-backed rebel fighters that has wreaked havoc in northeastern Syria in recent weeks.

Between 2012 and 2014, though, Idris served as chief of staff to the Supreme Military Council of the West-friendly FSA. In 2013, according to the Washington Post, he was “anointed” by then Secretary of State John Kerry as “the sole conduit for aid to Syria’s rebels.” He was welcomed on CNN and MSNBC. In a glowing profile, the Times described him as “soft-spoken and humble” and declared that Syria’s future depended on “General Idris’s success on the battlefield.”

In May 2013, the Syrian rebel chief was even rewarded with the ultimate prize from the hawks in Washington: a secret visit from the late John McCain.



Got that? John McCain was an ally and supporter of a rebel commander whose forces are now being loudly condemned by a dizzying array of U.S. political and media figures including, among others, Meghan McCain. Is your head spinning yet? And don’t you think it should be a bigger story that the Turkish-backed general ordering Syrian rebels into battle against the Kurds right now was the U.S.-backed general who ordered Syrian rebels into battle against Bashar Assad in 2013?

Then there’s Lt. Seyf Ebu Bekir, a defector from Assad’s military and suspected former ISIS fighter. He heads up the Hamza Division of rebel fighters that was vetted by the Pentagon in 2016 and then armed and trained by the U.S. to battle against ISIS. Today, the Hamza Division is one of the key groups killing and expelling Kurds as part of the Turkish offensive in Syria. So too is the Sultan Murad Division, which in 2015 was boasting about being “well stocked” with new supplies of U.S.-made TOW anti-tank missiles.

In fact, according to a damning analysis by SETA, a pro-government Turkish think tank, of the 41 armed factions which make up the now Turkish-backed SNA, 28 of them were formed before the Trump administration cut off aid to the Syrian rebels in 2017. “Out of the 28 factions,” concludes SETA, “21 were previously supported by the United States, three of them via the Pentagon’s program to combat DAESH. Eighteen of these factions were supplied by the CIA. … Fourteen factions of the 28 were also recipients of the U.S.-supplied TOW anti-tank guided missiles.”

Shouldn’t this be a source of huge controversy in Washington? Shouldn’t those politicians and pundits who backed the arming and funding of the same Syrian proxies now accused of committing war crimes be asked to explain themselves, rather than invited back on air as disinterested analysts or experts?

Yes, President Recep Tayyip Erdogan of Turkey has blood on his hands and so too does Donald Trump, who gave Erdogan the green light to attack and “clean out” Kurdish-controlled areas. But what of the blood on the hands of those U.S. hawks and interventionists, both Republicans and Democrats, who threw their support behind the likes of Idris, Ebu Bakir, the Hamza Division, and the Sultan Murad Brigade only a few years ago?

https://theintercept.com/2019/10/26/...ccountability/

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