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Old 02-01-2008, 12:48 PM   #16
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So can someone explain to me just why having "allies" like that is so important?
I think the idea is that having Allies "like that" would be important, if we had them.
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Old 02-01-2008, 02:37 PM   #17
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I'm curious as to how we would feel about sending our troops into harms way if the roles were reveresed.

Like is say for example Mexico declared war on argentina because some people who are actually from columbia but live in brazil bombed one of their cities?

Would anyone here be gung ho to risk American lives to fight that war?
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Old 02-01-2008, 02:53 PM   #18
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I'm curious as to how we would feel about sending our troops into harms way if the roles were reveresed.

Like is say for example Mexico declared war on argentina because some people who are actually from columbia but live in brazil bombed one of their cities?

Would anyone here be gung ho to risk American lives to fight that war?
Uh.....huh?

I'd go to war in Venezuela, if that answers the question...they have oil and a dickhead for President.

Who cares about Argentina?

If we were dependant on another nation for our security and economy, I maight send troops to help them out...if that answers your question.......but then, we aren't.
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Old 02-01-2008, 03:17 PM   #19
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If we were dependant on another nation for our security and economy, I maight send troops to help them out...if that answers your question.......but then, we aren't.
It does't actually.

My question is, would you be willing to risk the lives of American soldiers because one of our Allies decided to invade a country that never attacked them?
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It does't actually.

My question is, would you be willing to risk the lives of American soldiers because one of our Allies decided to invade a country that never attacked them?
If it was a country that was very important to maintain a good relationship with, yes. If I was some non superpower nation, it would be in my best interest to support whatever superpower I want to remain on good terms with.

Being the world's only superpower at the moment, there is no need to send our troops into some dippy conflict somewhere.

Trying to reverse the roles of the US and other countries doesn't really work very well. They need us, our market, our money, and our military strength more than we need them.

They send troops with ours as a show of loyalty, not for any national interest except that it is important to maintain a strong bond with the US, THAT is their national interest.
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Old 02-01-2008, 03:51 PM   #21
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Have any of these countries made statements about why they haven't paid, or have they stayed quiet and just not paid?
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Old 02-01-2008, 05:53 PM   #22
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I think there are actually two different issues being debated in this thread:

1. some allies apparently have not given the money they had pledged to support Iraq reconstruction (I guess).

2. some countries with soldiers in Afghanistan are refusing to allow them into combat or into the rougher regions of the country.

In the first case, my feeling is, who can blame them?

The second case is a bit more difficult. I have very mixed feelings about Germany sending troups into combat anywhere, but I think they probably owe the US that much support.
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...I have very mixed feelings about Germany sending troups into combat anywhere...
Would you please elaborate on those feelings?
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Old 02-01-2008, 06:01 PM   #24
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Would you please elaborate on those feelings?
I just don't like the idea of rekindling German militarism. They're too good at it!
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I just don't like the idea of rekindling German militarism. They're too good at it!
Do you think that the German nation today would be apt to repeat the sins of generations past?

I can understand how some people may have cause for concern, but I think that Germany has long abandoned its Manifest Destiny. After all, reunification did not rekindle any lust for expansionism.

I remember my old World Politics professor saying one time that they wanted to build a European Germany rather than a German Europe.

Of course, he also said that when he taught at the Army War College, every Colonel that went through there ended up escalating to nuclear war during their conflict simulations on the first go around. That made me glad there were people there to teach them how to avoid nuclear war before they became generals.
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