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View Poll Results: What's more important to you: Pats doing great even wo TB or Brady doing great ?
Still care more about the fortunes of the Patriots 27 93.10%
Want to see Brady kick ass as a Buc 0 0%
Care equally or don't care at all 2 6.90%
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Old 03-27-2020, 06:52 AM   #31
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I see Arians has already shot down any talk of AB joining Tom.

'Yeah, it's not gonna happen" was his terse reply when asked by a reporter.

The Bucs don't need him, they have enough weapons.

They need a Welker/Edelman and they need a James White for Brady's comfort. And a better OL.


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Secondary needs: safety, pass-catching running back

While the Buccaneers' offensive line was better than many people believe last season, they need to upgrade at the tackle position. Donovan Smith is coming off a career-high 70.8 overall grade in 2019 and figures to have the left tackle spot locked up given his contract, but right tackle is still open for improvement. The assumed starter, as of now, is Joe Haeg, who last played in a starting role during the 2017 season with the Colts (at right tackle). Haeg earned an overall grade of 64.1 that season, so there is room for a better option, either in the draft or in free agency, with someone like Jason Peters. Protecting the 43-year old Tom Brady should be at the top of the Buccaneers’ to-do list.
Safety is another position that Tampa Bay could look to. A torn Achilles kept Justin Evans off the field last season, but the guys who did see significant snaps at safety — Jordan Whitehead (45.2), Andrew Adams (62.7) and Mike Edwards (58.2) — all graded below 65.0. The cornerback duo of Carlton Davis and Jamel Dean impressed down the stretch, so it would benefit the Buccaneers to add some competition to find similar success at safety.
Lastly, the Buccaneers should look to add a running back at some point this offseason, specifically one that serves as a receiving threat out of the backfield. Ronald Jones has yet to record a receiving grade of 60.0 in two NFL seasons, and Brady has made use of pass-catching running backs throughout his career.


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They need a Welker/Edelman and they need a James White for Brady's comfort. And a better OL.


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Tampa Bay Buccaneers: Protection for Tom Brady

Secondary needs: safety, pass-catching running back

While the Buccaneers' offensive line was better than many people believe last season, they need to upgrade at the tackle position. Donovan Smith is coming off a career-high 70.8 overall grade in 2019 and figures to have the left tackle spot locked up given his contract, but right tackle is still open for improvement. The assumed starter, as of now, is Joe Haeg, who last played in a starting role during the 2017 season with the Colts (at right tackle). Haeg earned an overall grade of 64.1 that season, so there is room for a better option, either in the draft or in free agency, with someone like Jason Peters. Protecting the 43-year old Tom Brady should be at the top of the Buccaneers’ to-do list.
Safety is another position that Tampa Bay could look to. A torn Achilles kept Justin Evans off the field last season, but the guys who did see significant snaps at safety — Jordan Whitehead (45.2), Andrew Adams (62.7) and Mike Edwards (58.2) — all graded below 65.0. The cornerback duo of Carlton Davis and Jamel Dean impressed down the stretch, so it would benefit the Buccaneers to add some competition to find similar success at safety.
Lastly, the Buccaneers should look to add a running back at some point this offseason, specifically one that serves as a receiving threat out of the backfield. Ronald Jones has yet to record a receiving grade of 60.0 in two NFL seasons, and Brady has made use of pass-catching running backs throughout his career.


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Sooo....do we send White and Edelman to the Bucs?
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Sooo....do we send White and Edelman to the Bucs?


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I hope you carry the same vigor for pointing fingers now that Brady is gone, because there might be a slight drop from the team
God damn it, stop attributing to me things I never said.

Exactly like you, I made the observation that the offense wasn't very good last year, that they weren't doing as well as they had earlier. The only difference is that I saw Brady as part of the offense, that he also wasn't playing as well as he had earlier, and you say that Brady was totally blameless. I get it. For two decades you've jumped into any post where anyone said or even implied Brady wasn't perfect. But stop saying I hate Brady or that I wanted to see him go or that he was the sole cause of our collapse last year. Because what I say is exactly what I said in the same post you quoted above:

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They need a Welker/Edelman and they need a James White for Brady's comfort. And a better OL.
Yeah, for sure.

I've been off ESPN and NFL network now for 3 or 4 years, and this year won't be the time to go back.

Both Pats and Bucs are going to take a step back IMO. Our supporting cast last year is about the same as the Bucs this year. They have better WRs but their Oline is highly suspect.

We're going into a rebuild year and that is rarely good news for the win/loss record (2001 Patriots and 2004 Steelers excepted, but they had Brady and Rothliesburger). Our defense fell apart in the last half of last season and we lost key players.

The media will go nuts, alternating saying, "The Pats fell apart, Brady was the only reason they were good," and, "The Bucs didn't do much better with Brady than they did with Jameis freakin' Winston. Obviously Brady wasn't the reason the Pats were so good so long."

It'll be nuts as mediots push their pre-written agendas with simplistic and slanted (slanted both ways, depending on which day it was) 'reporting.'

Unfortunately, it's be like a bad accident on 128. I know I'll take a peek to see just how bad it is. May God have mercy on my soul.
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We aren't the Doophins. We don't tank.
Not tanking. Just getting rid of a couple older players that another team could find particularly useful and hopefully reload with younger players.
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Don't care at all.

It's all about the laundry, but as long as the Bucs aren't playing the Pats or the Redskins I wish him well.
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Don't care at all.

It's all about the laundry, but as long as the Bucs aren't playing the Pats or the Redskins I wish him well.
I got over Curtis Martin, and I followed Drew Bledsoe's career through the Bills and the Cowboys, and was disappointed when he was benched at the end. I'll watch a few Bucs games and have added the Bucs to TheAthletic teams I follow for the news.

But the only two teams I've been a real fan of are the NY Giants (pre-1960) and the Patriots. That's not going to change.
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Sooo....do we send White and Edelman to the Bucs?

Edelman already said he's staying in Foxboro.
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Tampa has 1,2,3,4,4,5,6 picks in the draft.

They should be able to get a T, a S, a slot receiver, and a pass catching RB rather easily if those are the actual team needs and preferences as reported.

If so, adding the passion of a nation wide “prove it” attitude with Tom, he could have a very good offensive year.
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Edelman already said he's staying in Foxboro.
What he wants and what Bill wants could be two different things.
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What he wants and what Bill wants could be two different things.
This is true.

If Bill were to call Bruce and say “hey, we got Brady’s right hand up here that could take care of your slot situation at an All Pro level. How about your 2? Oh, and we’ve got a 1st round RB we’ll swap for your 3. Or take James White for your 4. You decide.”

Arians would have some decisions to make.
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This is true.

If Bill were to call Bruce and say “hey, we got Brady’s right hand up here that could take care of your slot situation at an All Pro level. How about your 2? Oh, and we’ve got a 1st round RB we’ll swap for your 3. Or take James White for your 4. You decide.”

Arians would have some decisions to make.
wouldn't break my heart to see all of that happen. As a fan you can't get too sentimental about moves like that. As a coach/gm- if you start thinking like a fan you'll be sitting with them.
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wouldn't break my heart to see all of that happen. As a fan you can't get too sentimental about moves like that. As a coach/gm- if you start thinking like a fan you'll be sitting with them.
I’d be sad to see Jules leave, but I’d do the deal. Olshovsky(sp?) already was in place for punts. He seemed to have a LOT of comps to Jules. Maybe he’s next.

I can’t help but think a few of these leftover weapons may have a difficult time in the motivation dept after having seen nothing less then AFCCG aside from last year.

I’d do any and all of thee above deals. And if we stumble and playoffs look doubtful Hightower and DMac are trade deadline options.
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I hate to lost "heart and soul" guys. When you do, you just hope there is someone else that will step up and provide that leadership. That would be my biggest concern.
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