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Old 03-03-2020, 04:37 PM   #1
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Here in MA, and Iím not sure itís the same everywhere, I have to ďdeclareĒ which party Iím voting for in this Primary. Why?

Iím a registered Independent. No party allegiance in theory. Why donít we have a singular ballot with all options for both party affiliations so I have a say in the full story, not half?

If I want to see Weld Vs Warren in November, after Iím institutionalized, why canít I select both?

Itís never made sense to me.
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Here in MA, and Iím not sure itís the same everywhere, I have to ďdeclareĒ which party Iím voting for in this Primary. Why?

Iím a registered Independent. No party allegiance in theory. Why donít we have a singular ballot with all options for both party affiliations so I have a say in the full story, not half?

If I want to see Weld Vs Warren in November, after Iím institutionalized, why canít I select both?

Itís never made sense to me.
Same issue here in Texas. I am neither (R) or (D), but am forced to pick one.

The (R) ballot had some propositions on it that were important to me, so I picked that one.

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1.) Texas should not restrict or prohibit prayer in public schools.

2.) Texas should reject restrictions on the right to keep and bear arms.

3.) Texas should ban the practice of taxpayer-funded lobbying, which allows your tax dollars to be spent on lobbyists who work against the taxpayer.

4.) Texas should support the construction of a physical barrier and use existing defense-grade surveillance equipment along the entire southern border of Texas.

5.) Texas parents or legal guardians of public school children under the age of 18 should be the sole decision makers for all their childrenís healthcare decisions including, but not limited to, psychological assessment and treatment, contraception, and sex education.

6.) Texas should ban chemical castration, puberty blockers, cross-sex hormones, and genital mutilation surgery on all minor children for transition purposes, given that Texas children as young as three (3) are being transitioned from their biological sex to the opposite sex.

7.) Texans should protect and preserve all historical monuments, artifacts, and buildings, such as the Alamo Cenotaph and our beloved Alamo, and should oppose any reimagining of the Alamo site.

8.) Texas election officials should heed the directives of the Office of the Governor to purge illegal voters from the voter rolls and verify that each new registered voter is a U.S. Citizen.

9.) Bail in Texas should be based only on a personís danger to society and risk of flight, not that personís ability to pay.

10.) Texas should limit our state legislatorsí terms to 12 years.
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Proposition #1
Right to Healthcare
Should everyone in Texas have a right to quality healthcare, protected by a universally accessible Medicare-style system that saves rural hospitals, reduces the cost of prescription drugs, and guarantees access to reproductive healthcare?

Proposition #2
Right to a 21st Century Public Education
Should everyone in Texas have the right to high-quality public education from pre-k to 12th grade, and affordable college and career training without the burden of crushing student loan debt?

Proposition #3
Right to Clean Air, Safe Water, and a Responsible Climate Policy
Should everyone in Texas have the right to clean air, safe water, affordable and sustainable alternative energy sources, and a ​responsible climate policy that recognizes and addresses the climate crisis as a real and serious threat that impacts every aspect of life on this planet?

Proposition #4
Right to Economic Security
Should everyone in Texas have the right to economic security, where all workers have earned paid family and sick leave, training to prepare for future economies, and a living wage that respects their hard work?

Proposition #5
Right to Dignity & Respect
Should everyone in Texas have the right to a life of dignity and respect, free from discrimination and harassment anywhere, including businesses and public facilities, no matter how they identify, the color of their skin, whom they love, socioeconomic status, disability status, housing status, or from where they come?

Proposition #6
Right to Be Free from Violence
Should everyone in Texas have the right to live a life free from violenceógun violence, racial hatred, terrorism, domestic violence, bullying, harassment or sexual assaultóso Texans can grow in a safe environment?

Proposition #7
Right to Housing
Should everyone in Texas have the right to affordable and accessible housing and modern utilities (electricity, water, gas, and high-speed internet) free from any form of discrimination?

Proposition #8
Right to Vote
Should every eligible Texan have the right to vote, made easier by automatic voter registration, the option to vote-by-mail, guaranteed early and mobile voting stations, and a state election holiday ó free from corporate campaign influence, foreign and domestic interference, ​and ​gerrymandering?

Proposition #9
Right to a Fair Criminal Justice System
Should everyone in Texas have the right to a fair criminal justice system that treats people equally, uses proven methods for de-escalating situations instead of excessive force, and puts an end to the mass and disproportionate incarceration of people of color for minor offenses?

Proposition #10
Immigrant Rights
Should there be a just and fair comprehensive immigration reform solution that includes an earned path to citizenship for law-abiding immigrants and their children, keeps families together, protects DREAMers, and provides workforce solutions for businesses?

Proposition #11
Right to Fair Taxation
Should Texas establish equitable taxation for people at all income levels and for businesses and corporations, large and small, so our state government can fund our educational, social, infrastructure, business, and all government services to improve programs necessary for all Texans to thrive?
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Old 03-03-2020, 05:39 PM   #3
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Wow.

We’re shoveling shit against the tide. Soon these young socialist Dems will have the numbers to get their way.

Fall of nations.
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Old 03-03-2020, 05:52 PM   #4
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That’s even crazier than here. I think all ballot questions are the same in MA. Shouldn’t have one party passing that outrageous shit.
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Thatís even crazier than here. I think all ballot questions are the same in MA. Shouldnít have one party passing that outrageous shit.
I almost picked the (D) ballot just so I could vote "NO" on everything.
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I almost picked the (D) ballot just so I could vote "NO" on everything.
Right.

But youíd likely be the only one.
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Every state has the right and power to determine their own election process. Some allow out of party people to vote, some do not.

I can't vote in primaries because I am a registered Pirate.
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I almost picked the (D) ballot just so I could vote "NO" on everything.
I had a similar thought, ( in MA) and it was to take a Dem ballot just so I could vote for any of the others vs Warren. Because Warren is allegedly a MA senator and it would thrill me to see her humiliated here.

But common sense prevailed LOL
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Here in MA, and Iím not sure itís the same everywhere, I have to ďdeclareĒ which party Iím voting for in this Primary. Why?

Iím a registered Independent. No party allegiance in theory. Why donít we have a singular ballot with all options for both party affiliations so I have a say in the full story, not half?

If I want to see Weld Vs Warren in November, after Iím institutionalized, why canít I select both?

Itís never made sense to me.
For the simple reason that the parties are selecting their candidates.

The parties can do what ever they want to select the candidates they put on the ballot in November.

In all honesty, they would be fully in their right to limiting voting to only those who declared membership in their party. There are plenty of places where this is the case.

Back in the day, that was how it was in Mass.

I can recall my mother changing her party affiliation to be able to vote against Father Drinan in the primary because she didn't think a priest should be a Congressman. Her take on the separation of Church and State.
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I had a similar thought, ( in MA) and it was to take a Dem ballot just so I could vote for any of the others vs Warren. Because Warren is allegedly a MA senator and it would thrill me to see her humiliated here.

But common sense prevailed LOL
Oh sheís humiliated!

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For the simple reason that the parties are selecting their candidates.

The parties can do what ever they want to select the candidates they put on the ballot in November.

In all honesty, they would be fully in their right to limiting voting to only those who declared membership in their party. There are plenty of places where this is the case.

Back in the day, that was how it was in Mass.

I can recall my mother changing her party affiliation to be able to vote against Father Drinan in the primary because she didn't think a priest should be a Congressman. Her take on the separation of Church and State.
True.

But they typically follow who the public backs. The public should be able to express their preferences for both sides.
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Wow.

Weíre shoveling shit against the tide. Soon these young socialist Dems will have the numbers to get their way.

Fall of nations.
it's not nearly as bad as you think. Jr's generation is okay...as long as you don't call them Millennials.
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Same issue here in Texas. I am neither (R) or (D), but am forced to pick one.

The (R) ballot had some propositions on it that were important to me, so I picked that one.



The Democrat propositions were straight out of looneyville:
I once had a man tell me that he sold encyclopedias one summer when he was a college student. That was back in the days when encyclopedia meant a lot of heavy books.

He explained to me that he was trained to ask a lot of "yes" questions. In other words, questions that anyone with half a brain would answer with a "yes". The purpose was to put the potential customer into a positive frame of mind toward the product being sold. He said that he didn't know what he would do if anyone answered with a "no".

A few week's later, I received a call from someone trying to sell vitamins. I listened to her spiel about how amazing these vitamins were. When she was finished, she asked . . . "Now wouldn't you enjoy feeling healthier and more energetic?"

Remembering my encylopedia friend's words, I decided to be that person without half a brain to see what would happen. I responded to her question by saying . . . "Not really. I rather enjoy feeling sick and lethargic." She sputtered a bit and quickly ended the call.

I'm sharing this long story because it was what I thought of when I read the Democrat propositions you posted. While the Republican propositions seemed more clear cut, the Democrat ones came over to me as nothing more than a salesperson's questions meant to put one into a positive frame of mind towards what is being sold.

For example, I look at this one:

Proposition #6
Right to Be Free from Violence
Should everyone in Texas have the right to live a life free from violenceógun violence, racial hatred, terrorism, domestic violence, bullying, harassment or sexual assaultóso Texans can grow in a safe environment?


I would think that anyone with half a brain would agree that we should be able to live a life free from violence. However, they give no specifics on how they plan to go about making this possible.

Again, to me those are nothing more than a salesperson's questions that are meant to put others in a positive frame of mind towards whatever it is that they are trying to sell.
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I once had a man tell me that he sold encyclopedias one summer when he was a college student. That was back in the days when encyclopedia meant a lot of heavy books.

He explained to me that he was trained to ask a lot of "yes" questions. In other words, questions that anyone with half a brain would answer with a "yes". The purpose was to put the potential customer into a positive frame of mind toward the product being sold. He said that he didn't know what he would do if anyone answered with a "no".

A few week's later, I received a call from someone trying to sell vitamins. I listened to her spiel about how amazing these vitamins were. When she was finished, she asked . . . "Now wouldn't you enjoy feeling healthier and more energetic?"

Remembering my encylopedia friend's words, I decided to be that person without half a brain to see what would happen. I responded to her question by saying . . . "Not really. I rather enjoy feeling sick and lethargic." She sputtered a bit and quickly ended the call.

I'm sharing this long story because it was what I thought of when I read the Democrat propositions you posted. While the Republican propositions seemed more clear cut, the Democrat ones came over to me as nothing more than a salesperson's questions meant to put one into a positive frame of mind towards what is being sold.

For example, I look at this one:

Proposition #6
Right to Be Free from Violence
Should everyone in Texas have the right to live a life free from violenceógun violence, racial hatred, terrorism, domestic violence, bullying, harassment or sexual assaultóso Texans can grow in a safe environment?


I would think that anyone with half a brain would agree that we should be able to live a life free from violence. However, they give no specifics on how they plan to go about making this possible.

Again, to me those are nothing more than a salesperson's questions that are meant to put others in a positive frame of mind towards whatever it is that they are trying to sell.
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