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Old 07-17-2019, 02:12 PM   #5371
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He's defended it when had to but he's been kinda busy with the fake russia collusion BS and every other attempt to bring him down. Other than the bumpstock crap I haven't heard him say or do anything that would impact the 2nd A negatively.

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Old 07-17-2019, 02:21 PM   #5372
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Don't waste your time on this one. He has used this tactic in the past and I give examples. When you ask him back, the mute button is on.

Edit: you actually answered.



You don't see any effort to free market? His entire agenda is to create a free market place. To remove barriers in other nation. You may not like his tactics, but his stated goal is to remove all predatory barriers other nations impose creating fair playing field, a true free market.

In what way is he not working toward a strong military?

Old school American value?

Freedoms? How about the 2nd amendment? Anyone recent President stand up for that more?

Any recent President giving more direct access to himself than this guy? He tweets every day. How about those gaggles he does virtually every time he gets on a helicopter? He has more direct access than all the last 3 Presidents combined. You couldn't get obama to answer a direct question. An obama presser was 3 questions with filibuster answers. Free speech, he lets the media lie about him constantly and never uses the power of the government as a weapon against political enemies? Can the same be said about the democrat party? obama? hillary clinton?

Your points are platitudes.


Please show me Trumpís efforts to somehow improve the 2nd Amendment. Please. We all know that this isnít the case. I donít think heís made it worse, though.


Such a patriot that he keeps the Patriot Act going strong.


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You don't see Trump making these changes because you hate him and refuse to accept him as your president. Those of us who support him see all of this and more. Explaining that to you is useless because you won't accept it.

BTW, your side believes in none of these. Oh, and the Patriot Act...that was Bush...not anybody's definition of a conservative.


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My side? Iím a conservative . I donít vote D; canít recall the last time I did at any level.

Perhaps you need to realize that there are people out there who would rather be true to themselves and their values than to be sellouts and support a putrid human being like Trump. I can live with not supporting him.

That does not mean that I support the left. Itís actually quite easy to understand ; I find it odd that you canít see the obvious. Subroc and AK, I understand them based on their limitations. But you?
Itís simple. Political philosophy trumps (pun intended) any candidate.


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Old 07-17-2019, 02:26 PM   #5374
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I think that is a reasonable definition.



I also think that the number of Republicans in DC that actually adhere to these is pretty close to 0.



They talk the talk, but they are all full of shit neocons.



In fact, I would put Trump above the average on these standards, and in no way do I consider him a conservative.



It can get pretty muddy, though, because the definition changes almost annually...so you can sort of pick your favorite set of standards.



By today's standards, JFK would be a right wing extremist, because the entire political spectrum has shifted far left from his time. Neocons of today were the average democrat of the 60's, and conservatism was Barry Goldwater....who was really the last of the traditional conservatives. Reagan is debatable. He was kind of a conservative leaning neocon...but his spending and some other things disqualifies him as a true conservative...that's why the neocons revere him so much...."Reagan Democrats" and "neocons" are the same thing.


Oh, Iím in agreement with you there.


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Its ok snowflake, you've been outed for what you are or should I say, aren't. lol


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Or a woman that identifies as a man.



Or a man that had his parts changed and is now woman.



You just never know.



You see the error in your ways making blanket statements trying to declare racism under every pebble?


Never declared it. Just in this one instance.


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Please show me Trumpís efforts to somehow improve the 2nd Amendment. Please. We all know that this isnít the case. I donít think heís made it worse, though.


Such a patriot that he keeps the Patriot Act going strong.


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Well I think thatís kind of it for righties. Leave it alone. He has.

The lefties get in and theyíll push to hand them over.
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Aside from the appointment of Kavanaugh, I don't see anything that Trump has done for the 2nd Amendment. As far as I can see, he's a 2A deadbeat.



What am I missing?


Exactly. Loved the Kavanaugh appointment. But heís done jack shit for the 2nd Amendment.


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Well I think thatís kind of it for righties. Leave it alone. He has.



The lefties get in and theyíll push to hand them over.


The left scares the hell out of me. Very much so.

I will say that Iíd prefer Trump over any leftie; I just wish we had a better R.

My fear is what we see with the indoctrination in schools today. All liberal , all the time.


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"AOC chief of staff confirms: Green New Deal was not really about the climate"

Representative Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez’s chief of staff Saikat Chakrabarti admitted recently that the true motivation behind introducing the Green New Deal is to overhaul the “entire economy.”

Chakrabarti said that addressing climate change was not Ocasio-Cortez’s top priority in proposing the Green New Deal during a meeting with Washington governor Jay Inslee.

“The interesting thing about the Green New Deal, is it wasn’t originally a climate thing at all,” Chakrabarti said to Inslee’s climate director, Sam Ricketts, according to a Washington Post reporter who attended the meeting for a profile published Wednesday.

“Do you guys think of it as a climate thing?” Because we really think of it as a how-do-you-change-the-entire-economy thing,” he added.

The Green New Deal, proposed earlier this year by Ocasio-Cortez and Senator Ed Markey (D., Mass.), would transition the U.S. economy entirely away from fossil fuels within ten years while simultaneously providing a federal jobs and healthcare guarantee. It would also, according to its proponents, advance “social, economic, racial, regional and gender-based justice and equality and cooperative and public ownership.”

All told, the proposal will cost up to $93 trillion in new government spending over ten years, according to a recent report by the conservative American Action Forum.

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You’re hilarious.
My side? I’m a conservative . I don’t vote D; can’t recall the last time I did at any level.

Perhaps you need to realize that there are people out there who would rather be true to themselves and their values than to be sellouts and support a putrid human being like Trump. I can live with not supporting him.

That does not mean that I support the left. It’s actually quite easy to understand ; I find it odd that you can’t see the obvious. Subroc and AK, I understand them based on their limitations. But you?
It’s simple. Political philosophy trumps (pun intended) any candidate.


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No you are not, you're not going to keep saying this and not get rebutted, only thing worse than a liar is a thief, don't know if you're the latter but you certainly are the former.

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Old 07-17-2019, 03:04 PM   #5382
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Youíre hilarious.
My side? Iím a conservative . I donít vote D; canít recall the last time I did at any level.

Perhaps you need to realize that there are people out there who would rather be true to themselves and their values than to be sellouts and support a putrid human being like Trump. I can live with not supporting him.

That does not mean that I support the left. Itís actually quite easy to understand ; I find it odd that you canít see the obvious. Subroc and AK, I understand them based on their limitations. But you?
Itís simple. Political philosophy trumps (pun intended) any candidate.


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I hear you. My guess is you probably consider yourself a classic Liberal, as that is very close to the definition of what we consider a conservative to be.

In this vein, let me ask you this- who's your guy? There are no mainstream pols who fit your standard.
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The left scares the hell out of me. Very much so.

I will say that Iíd prefer Trump over any leftie; I just wish we had a better R.

My fear is what we see with the indoctrination in schools today. All liberal , all the time.


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I can understand this.

Trump wasnít my first choice. But he has surprised me. I think heís done a great job so far. And NOBODY has handled as much unfounded BS with as much aplomb as he has. All the while being as open and available.

Mueller speaking will open windows. Barr will have work to do. Epstain will scar the left badly. And 2020 is Donaldís all over again. Itís just a matter of what sacrificial lamb they put forth for humiliation.
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I hear you. My guess is you probably consider yourself a classic Liberal, as that is very close to the definition of what we consider a conservative to be.



In this vein, let me ask you this- who's your guy? There are no mainstream pols who fit your standard.


Sadly, my friend, this is true.
I would have been happier with Kasich. Or even Jeb, although he would have been much worse than Kasich.


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