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Old Yesterday, 12:06 PM   #5536
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Smells like something cooked up by the libs while being careful to do their judge shopping.
Nah as Baron points out it's been that way from the start, it's that way by design, and should be that way.

In addition to the things he brings up, it's also an insurance policy against an out of control or duped populace voting in a monster or dictator. The Founding Fathers didn't want the People running amok, and this way if ever the People are voting in a Hitler type guy a few people with a conscience and intelligence can fix it, even if it means falling on a sword afterwards. It should tell you something that it's been that way from the start and has never yet changed the outcome of an election. It's one of those "in case of emergency break glass" type rules.
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Old Yesterday, 12:34 PM   #5537
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All of the following is strictly by memory, so don't assume it is 100% factual, but I believe it to be so;

The ruling is absolutely correct. There is no Federal law or statute that binds electors to vote a certain way. We probably want to keep it this way.

Remember that when this nation was founded, it was dubbed "United States" because it was, in fact, a bunch of sovereign states united....otherwise it would have been called "United Provinces" or something like that.

As such, each state, being sovereign, had the right and the power to establish their own electoral systems as they saw fit and appropriate to their own sovereign state, provided those systems did not run afoul of the Constitution.

Thus, the electors appointed to go to Washington are representative of the state they come from, not the people.

This means that the electors are answerable to the state governments, not the federal government. Most states have, if not statutes, at the very least guidelines that electors should represent the vote tallies in their state. Some may be bound by it, some may not be. Woe to the state government or elector who disenfranchises it's own voters, though. There will be Hell to pay if and when it happens.

But, the appointment of electors and what code they are bound by is a matter for the states, and one of the very, very few and precious areas of sovereignty under the 10th Amendment that they retain in modern times.
As much as I agree with what you say in principle, I point to information in the article to show that even in the 30 states that bind their electoral votes, the penalties for faithless electors are weak at best. I would like to think there would be hell to pay in the event of this type of disenfranchisement, but I don't see even Heck or Golly Gee Willickers being paid.

Further, according to the article, this ruling says that states' sovereignty in the matter ends once the electors are chosen and report in December to cast their vote, and that action by the electors falls under the federal purview with no recourse by the state to remove them or nullify the vote. So I have to ask, if the state has no substantive recourse to combat faithless electors, is that point of state sovereignty really so precious or is it just an illusion?

And I understand the point you and Giant Octopodes are making, but in this current cutthroat political climate and considering how underhanded both sides can be with such power on the line, I don't like the idea that a handful of faithless electors could turn the tide in a close presidential race.

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But once the electors are chosen and report in December to cast their votes as members of the Electoral College, they are fulfilling a federal function, and a state's authority has ended. "The states' power to appoint electors does not include the power to remove them or nullify their votes," the court said.

Because the Constitution contains no requirement for electors to follow the wishes of a political party, "the electors, once appointed, are free to vote as they choose," assuming that they cast their vote for a legally qualified candidate.

A total of 30 states have laws that bind electors, requiring them to cast their votes for whichever candidate won that state's popular vote. But the laws are weak, providing only nominal penalties for what are known as "faithless electors" who fail to conform to the popular vote.
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I think the government is representative of the people, and as such they should be bound to vote as the people deem.

Who’s harder to influence in the Hitler scenario - the entire free populace of the state or the few casting electoral votes? With the numbers represented by the overall population minuscule in comparison it opens the door much easier to corruption, intimidation, bribery, and individual opinion.

I don’t like it.
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As much as I agree with what you say in principle, I point to information in the article to show that even in the 30 states that bind their electoral votes, the penalties for faithless electors are weak at best. I would like to think there would be hell to pay in the event of this type of disenfranchisement, but I don't see even Heck or Golly Gee Willickers being paid.
Your problem is that you want your state government to do what is actually your responsibility to correct if it happens in your state.

No elector will defy the will of the state government, and if the electors prove to be faithless, it will be because the state government told them to be...whether above or below board.

....and you will expect them to fix it all for you.

Nope. That's your job. And mine.

That's what the 2nd Amendment is for.
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These electors, are they a member of a party or are there electors for each party and whichever party happens to win that state that elector is supposed to vote accordingly? I'm curious as to how these so called "electors" are chosen.
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Drag queen to challenge Schiff for his seat.

https://dailycaller.com/2019/08/22/d...hiff-congress/

This would be epic.
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These electors, are they a member of a party or are there electors for each party and whichever party happens to win that state that elector is supposed to vote accordingly? I'm curious as to how these so called "electors" are chosen.
When you go to the polls to vote, you are not actually voting for your candidate, you are voting for the electors of that party to represent you, who are then expected to represent you in voting for the president.

So, the Republican nominee is Donald Trump. You go and vote for Donald Trump in the poll...but your vote is actually counted as for the representative elector of that party.

Make sense?

So, if you vote, but then the candidate that you voted for kicks the bucket for some reason, the elector that you voted for will choose a new nominee on your behalf to vote for.
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When you go to the polls to vote, you are not actually voting for your candidate, you are voting for the electors of that party to represent you, who are then expected to represent you in voting for the president.

So, the Republican nominee is Donald Trump. You go and vote for Donald Trump in the poll...but your vote is actually counted as for the representative elector of that party.

Make sense?

So, if you vote, but then the candidate that you voted for kicks the bucket for some reason, the elector that you voted for will choose a new nominee on your behalf to vote for.
This just in!

Previously unseen footage of the MA Republican electoral college constituents!


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Shame on you for posting out of context and misrepresenting what is actually happening.

What was actually taking place there was he tied and gagged himself up, in an effort to restrain his inner RINO from taking over when nobody is looking. It's like being a werewolf, but worse.
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Shame on you for posting out of context and misrepresenting what is actually happening.

What was actually taking place there was he tied and gagged himself up, in an effort to restrain his inner RINO from taking over when nobody is looking. It's like being a werewolf, but worse.
Ah, like locking himself in the abandoned prison cell as the moon grew full in the classic The Wolfman.
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