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Old 07-17-2019, 03:49 PM   #5386
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No you are not, you're not going to keep saying this and not get rebutted, only thing worse than a liar is a thief, don't know if you're the latter but you certainly are the former.


LOL.
Youíre by all standards a newb in this forum. Show me posts of mine that show me that Iím not a conservative.
No one who has been here for awhile would think Iím a liberal.
Just shows your lack of comprehension . Unsurprising, really.


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LOL.
Youíre by all standards a newb in this forum. Show me posts of mine that show me that Iím not a conservative.
No one who has been here for awhile would think Iím a liberal.
Just shows your lack of comprehension . Unsurprising, really.


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I think your dislike of Trump and your seeming falling in line with the image the national media likes to paint him in has clouded peoples thoughts and views of your ideology.

If that makes sense.
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Old 07-17-2019, 03:57 PM   #5388
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The left scares the hell out of me. Very much so.

I will say that Iíd prefer Trump over any leftie; I just wish we had a better R.

My fear is what we see with the indoctrination in schools today. All liberal , all the time.


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This is so true.

Having a 17 yr old daughter I canít even have a political discussion in her presence. They have been so completely brainwashed. Unabashedly.

Iíd go so far as to say itíd be more functional and developmental to having a higher priority on seperation of party and state vs seperation of church and state. And Iím not religious at all.
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Old 07-17-2019, 04:01 PM   #5389
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LOL.
Youíre by all standards a newb in this forum. Show me posts of mine that show me that Iím not a conservative.
No one who has been here for awhile would think Iím a liberal.
Just shows your lack of comprehension . Unsurprising, really.


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I don't care if I got here last week, there is a little thing called a search function, you should try it sometime.

You resort to name calling and slandering those that don't agree with you, now what party does that remind you of? And you call yourself a conservative, what a joke.

So answer the quesion, which Dem are you putting your money on?
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I think your dislike of Trump and your seeming falling in line with the image the national media likes to paint him in has clouded peoples thoughts and views of your ideology.

If that makes sense.

I don't actually believe he is a conservative or a republican. Assuming I am wrong, this is a good point. The never Trumpers are a bizarre lot. They have dug their heels into the never Trump ideology. They are incapable of seeing his positive conservative agenda as well as the positive impact it has. Clearly this has become an enemy of my enemy is my friend result with him embracing the left wing because his never Trump position has become a visceral hate that rivals those on the left.
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This is so true.

Having a 17 yr old daughter I canít even have a political discussion in her presence. They have been so completely brainwashed. Unabashedly.

Iíd go so far as to say itíd be more functional and developmental to having a higher priority on seperation of party and state vs seperation of church and state. And Iím not religious at all.
Three of my girls are teenagers and we regularly talk about politics. #2 is a fifteen y/o who thinks she is a vegan feminist, only she really isn't. I don't debate her so much as ask her questions and make comments designed not to outright refute her and cause her to become defensive, but rather to plant seeds that make her think.
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Old 07-17-2019, 04:51 PM   #5392
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For some reason we don't have an AOC thread anymore, so I guess this goes here:
Have you read the green new deal? It doesn't take long, it's 15 pages long but would fit on 5, one of which would just be a list of sponsors. It includes no specific policies, no legal requirements, plans, budgets, nothing. Just a list of "wouldn't it be nice" and stuff that it proposes the government somehow "fix", without any actual actionable items. As such it's as fair to say it would cost $0 as it is to say it would cost $100 Quadrillion, as it's not actually anything.

Here's the cliff notes version:

Climate Change is bad, and caused by humans. The US is responsible, and must fix it. Due to climate change, the US is facing lower life expectancy, wage stagnation, inadequate money for the government, income inequality, and wage gaps between black and white folks and men and women. (Yes it really blames climate change for racial wealth disparity and wage stagnation, feel free to check it out at the link at the end).

The new deal was great, so we should do something like that, and create millions of high wage jobs in the US and unprecedented prosperity for all. So let's make a green new deal to make those things happen. As such the green new deal should achieve the following:
Achieve net zero greenhouse gas emissions
Create millions of high wage jobs
Invest in infrastructure
Ensure clean air and water, community resiliency, healthy food and a sustainable environment for generations to come
Promote justice and equality

To achieve those goals, we need to set the following goals:
Build resiliency in our communities
Invest in infrastructure
Eliminate pollution and greenhouse gas emissions as much as technologically feasible
Use renewable energy, which must simultaneously be new and smart and energy efficient but also super affordable.
Upgrade all buildings in the United States to achieve max energy and water efficiency and also affordability.
Spur massive growth in "clean manufacturing" as much as technologically feasible, by, uhm, well...
Work with farmers and ranchers to clean up their emissions as much as technologically feasible, by supporting them.
Overhaul US transportation systems to be as free of emissions as technologically feasible, by investing in it.
Clean up the environment
Help other countries create a green new deal as well
Provide higher education to all people of the USA
Invest in new tech, businesses, local and regional economies
Create lots of union jobs
Raise the minimum wage
Provide everyone with high quality health care, affordable, safe, and adequate housing, economic security, clean water, clean air, healthy and affordable food, and access to nature.

That's it. Just a list of stuff the government should invest in. No plans, no regulations or rules, no limits, no even setting up commissions to study anything, nothing. Were this passed into law, it would achieve absolutely nothing, because it is nothing. It was never meant to be passed, so it's not actually a law, it's just a fluff piece to talk about in the news. See for yourself.

https://www.congress.gov/bill/116th-...ution/109/text
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Old 07-17-2019, 05:28 PM   #5393
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I don't care if I got here last week, there is a little thing called a search function, you should try it sometime.



You resort to name calling and slandering those that don't agree with you, now what party does that remind you of? And you call yourself a conservative, what a joke.



So answer the quesion, which Dem are you putting your money on?
Yeah, you NEVER resort to name calling.

An excellent question though. At the moment, Fauxcahontas is picking up steam, although could you IMAGINE the debates between her and Trump?
It almost makes it worth her winning just to see the debates.

Bullock is the one who should, which means he wonít .
Iím curious to see if Baronís Kamala prediction will be true.


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I don't actually believe he is a conservative or a republican. Assuming I am wrong, this is a good point. The never Trumpers are a bizarre lot. They have dug their heels into the never Trump ideology. They are incapable of seeing his positive conservative agenda as well as the positive impact it has. Clearly this has become an enemy of my enemy is my friend result with him embracing the left wing because his never Trump position has become a visceral hate that rivals those on the left.


LOL.
This is where your abject refusal to put up or shut up comes in.
Show my posts where I support or embrace the left wing.

I know you canít do that. Youíre too cowardly to even try to prove it.



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Have you read the green new deal? It doesn't take long, it's 15 pages long but would fit on 5, one of which would just be a list of sponsors. It includes no specific policies, no legal requirements, plans, budgets, nothing. Just a list of "wouldn't it be nice" and stuff that it proposes the government somehow "fix", without any actual actionable items. As such it's as fair to say it would cost $0 as it is to say it would cost $100 Quadrillion, as it's not actually anything.



Here's the cliff notes version:



Climate Change is bad, and caused by humans. The US is responsible, and must fix it. Due to climate change, the US is facing lower life expectancy, wage stagnation, inadequate money for the government, income inequality, and wage gaps between black and white folks and men and women. (Yes it really blames climate change for racial wealth disparity and wage stagnation, feel free to check it out at the link at the end).



The new deal was great, so we should do something like that, and create millions of high wage jobs in the US and unprecedented prosperity for all. So let's make a green new deal to make those things happen. As such the green new deal should achieve the following:

Achieve net zero greenhouse gas emissions

Create millions of high wage jobs

Invest in infrastructure

Ensure clean air and water, community resiliency, healthy food and a sustainable environment for generations to come

Promote justice and equality



To achieve those goals, we need to set the following goals:

Build resiliency in our communities

Invest in infrastructure

Eliminate pollution and greenhouse gas emissions as much as technologically feasible

Use renewable energy, which must simultaneously be new and smart and energy efficient but also super affordable.

Upgrade all buildings in the United States to achieve max energy and water efficiency and also affordability.

Spur massive growth in "clean manufacturing" as much as technologically feasible, by, uhm, well...

Work with farmers and ranchers to clean up their emissions as much as technologically feasible, by supporting them.

Overhaul US transportation systems to be as free of emissions as technologically feasible, by investing in it.

Clean up the environment

Help other countries create a green new deal as well

Provide higher education to all people of the USA

Invest in new tech, businesses, local and regional economies

Create lots of union jobs

Raise the minimum wage

Provide everyone with high quality health care, affordable, safe, and adequate housing, economic security, clean water, clean air, healthy and affordable food, and access to nature.



That's it. Just a list of stuff the government should invest in. No plans, no regulations or rules, no limits, no even setting up commissions to study anything, nothing. Were this passed into law, it would achieve absolutely nothing, because it is nothing. It was never meant to be passed, so it's not actually a law, it's just a fluff piece to talk about in the news. See for yourself.



https://www.congress.gov/bill/116th-...ution/109/text


AOC and her ilk scare the bejeezus out of me. Just bat shit crazy.


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LOL.
This is where your abject refusal to put up or shut up comes in.
Show my posts where I support or embrace the left wing.

I know you canít do that. Youíre too cowardly to even try to prove it.



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You support the left wings effort to destroy this president. You are an enabler.
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You support the left wings effort to destroy this president. You are an enabler.


LOL LOL LOL.
Youíre a joke. Weíve had plenty of evidence of that for quite awhile now, but this just seals it.

My opinion of Trump has NOTHING to do with the annoying, 24/7 left wing media attack on Trump. My loathing of him is simply based on his actions, both past (well before he even ran) and based on his actions as POTUS.



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Yeah, you NEVER resort to name calling.

An excellent question though. At the moment, Fauxcahontas is picking up steam, although could you IMAGINE the debates between her and Trump?
It almost makes it worth her winning just to see the debates.

Bullock is the one who should, which means he wonít .
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Wow....

For her to be the first name you suggest...

There is just no way.
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Yeah, you NEVER resort to name calling.

An excellent question though. At the moment, Fauxcahontas is picking up steam, although could you IMAGINE the debates between her and Trump?
It almost makes it worth her winning just to see the debates.

Bullock is the one who should, which means he wonít .
Iím curious to see if Baronís Kamala prediction will be true.


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You got the ball rolling there but I'm not going to get into this childish back and forth with you, your words speak for themselves.

I don't know who Bullock is and don't really care because no Dem is winning the WH, unless by some miracle of god a real moderate steps in but I know of no moderates in the Dem party bold enough to step forward.

Prepare for another 4 years of Trump.
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