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Old 07-13-2018, 09:33 AM   #121
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If dropping out of NATO equated even to the money we spend on NATO being saved I'd give it serious thought, but it won't.

The money we spend on NATO would be spent on some jackass weapons program designed by a committee which has no interest in developing a usable or functional weapon, but instead is focused on making the most money and spreading the largess over as many different congressional districts as possible to keep the spigots open.

They will just increase the funding for the F-35 joint strike fighter piece of shit.
I think the money would be spent on the same thing it is being spent on today, just not in the name of NATO. You, or at least your politicians, want to control the east. Having missile air defenses and strategic military bases is done out of self interest. Trump doesnt want to end this, he just want the other nations to contribute more to strenghten the defense.

And i guess it will have a positive effect on the US weapons industry.
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Old 07-13-2018, 09:40 AM   #122
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I certainly won't argue with you on any of this. All true.

But...at least our weapons and shitty airplanes will be protecting the United States, and not deadbeat foreign countries that invest in Russia.
They are defending America and OPT has done a fantastic job of explaining why.
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Old 07-13-2018, 09:52 AM   #123
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They are defending America and OPT has done a fantastic job of explaining why.
I didn't see that. I saw something about wanting to be the world police and defend the world, but I saw nothing about defending the United States.

I'm not talking about "National Interests"...I don't care for shedding taxpayer money and burying Americans with flags to protect corporate investments.
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Old 07-13-2018, 11:17 AM   #124
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I've watched this like 10 times. This is why people voted for him...

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Old 07-13-2018, 12:17 PM   #125
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I've watched this like 10 times. This is why people voted for him...

The key phrase by President Trump “ I think trade is wonderful but energy is a whole another story”

He is absolutely right. Why in the name of God would you want to rely on your enemies energy? You’re isolating yourself from the rest of the world from an energy concept. That’s bad for national defense.
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Old 07-13-2018, 12:31 PM   #126
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The key phrase by President Trump “ I think trade is wonderful but energy is a whole another story”

He is absolutely right. Why in the name of God would you want to rely on your enemies energy? You’re isolating yourself from the rest of the world from an energy concept. That’s bad for national defense.
Unless, of course, you don't actually view them as a threat, but you want free National Defense.
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Old 07-13-2018, 02:45 PM   #127
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Germany is less reliant on Russian energy now than they were during the Cold War.
It's true that they're phasing out coal but they're replacing it with renewable energy.
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Old 07-13-2018, 06:27 PM   #129
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It's true that they're phasing out coal but they're replacing it with renewable energy.
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Anderson is primarily right, which would beg the question "Why is Germany building a Russian gas pipeline"?

The answer is, of course, government subsidies will soon be ending for renewable energy, if they haven't already....and when that happens, they're going to need that gas because the wind and solar companies will be bankrupt.

So...you're both right, really.
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