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Old 08-09-2018, 10:26 AM   #46
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oh boy.... this is big, Keller is speaking on the topic now!!!!

Keller @ Large: Stoned Driving Is Just As Bad As Drunk Driving
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1. It's not "just as bad".
2. The legal penalty should be.
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1. It's not "just as bad".
2. The legal penalty should be.
you don't know "Keller at large", he means serious business...
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Do you want a pilot that's high to fly your jet?
Do you want a doctor that's high performing your surgery?
Do want an EMT that's high treating you in an emergency?
Do you want a loved one getting into a taxi if the driver is high?

I don't. I don't need to hear stories to come to that conclusion.
This.

Iím not anti-weed or alcohol. Just donít get behind a couple thousand pounds of steel while my family is out on the road.
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Old 08-09-2018, 10:35 AM   #49
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Not so much. In fact the more severe the accident the more likely they are to perform some kind of impairment test. I routinely see police officers show up at hospitals to perform tests on people who got fucked up in the accident.
This baffles me.

A. That a Dr treating would allow it.

And

B. That the results would be even somewhat admissible in court. Defense response would be my client bumped his head during the wreck. We suspect head trauma/concussion. Anyone treating those victims can note the similarities with an impaired individual.
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Old 08-09-2018, 10:37 AM   #50
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phones should be the 1st thing to be addressed.

driving to NH yesterday my daughter pointed out several people not texting but actually watching videos on their phone.

I have seen a guy shaving with the paper in the steering wheel while in traffic going into Boston.
Iíve seen that.

Or the lady doing the eyelashes in the sun visor mirror.
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Old 08-09-2018, 10:48 AM   #51
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This baffles me.

A. That a Dr treating would allow it.

And

B. That the results would be even somewhat admissible in court. Defense response would be my client bumped his head during the wreck. We suspect head trauma/concussion. Anyone treating those victims can note the similarities with an impaired individual.
I'm not really in a position to comment on specifics or the ethics involved. I assume any tests performed are done after the patient has been cared for and is no longer in danger.

Certain professions also have a mandatory intoxication test regardless of severity. I had one the other day where the officer noted they were required to give one to a truck driver transporting hazardous materials (believe that's what it was)

He passed FYI lol.
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Old 08-09-2018, 12:33 PM   #52
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Iíve seen that.

Or the lady doing the eyelashes in the sun visor mirror.
Iíll take texting over weed as a road hazard any day.
Iíve had one real close call and few less close from morons on phones.
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Driving demands your undivided attention at all times. Even more so if you have a CDL and haul product.

Sober and awake and aware is the only way to do this.
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phones should be the 1st thing to be addressed.

driving to NH yesterday my daughter pointed out several people not texting but actually watching videos on their phone.

I have seen a guy shaving with the paper in the steering wheel while in traffic going into Boston.
Iíve seen a guy being ummmmmm orally serviced driving into Boston. Not sure if illegal or not.
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Some strong points, but the problem comes when you substitute the following words or phrases for "high":

exhausted
stressed
clinically depressed
suicidal
angry
distracted
unfocused
poorly trained
having a shitty day
mentally ill
physically ill
using poor judgement
overly aggressive
uncaring...........

the point is that I don't want any of that shit causing me any problems, but all human beings are capable of one or more of those responses on any given day and there is no testing that is possible for most of that, either. And it happens.

Using your last analogy, I think it would be far more dangerous to put a loved one or myself in a cab with an overly aggressive cab driver than one who is not aggressive that smoked a joint on his last break, yet, that is exactly what happens about a million times a day in this country. It is practically expected.

I wish everybody was tip-top every day and never felt the need to use a substance or alcohol to make themselves feel better, but that's the way it is in this world.

Life is barely controlled chaos and Police and Big Brother would be way better off putting every resource they have into eliminating drunk driving once and for all before they worry about stoned driving, because it is simply a far greater menace to the public good.
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Iíve seen a guy being ummmmmm orally serviced driving into Boston. Not sure if illegal or not.
Road head on a country road is fun though...
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Exactly.

But there are a few important caveats.

1. Once machines learn everything they need to learn, they won't repeat mistakes. Human error has all kinds of potential influencing factors (ie. being tired, distracted, physical mistake with the pedals/wheel, etc.) that just won't occur for AI.

2. Related to the above, there will be deaths by machine during the learning phase as we've already seen. But it's not like those deaths wouldn't exist anyway. Driving is the most dangerous activity North Americans participate in on a daily basis as it is. Obviously it's less 'palatable' to see people killed by AI/machines, but to suggest keeping machines off our roads is safer is kind of short-sighted. Long-term, if machine learning evolves as expected, every human taken off the road will be a big win.

Humans operating large machinery and even passenger vehicles is incredibly dangerous. Machines have already made things like manufacturing safer so it's hard to believe they won't do the same for driving.
I will never trust any vehicle that I cannot control. Ever.

Also, have you ever heard of a computer that never had a virus or "crashed"?

Think about that one for awhile...
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Iíve seen a guy being ummmmmm orally serviced driving into Boston. Not sure if illegal or not.
That's common. Truck drivers always talk about the shit they see. road service is common and they think it is done in a way the truck driver can watch. sometimes it is a dude or chick all alone sharing the moment with the driver.
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Iíll take texting over weed as a road hazard any day.
Iíve had one real close call and few less close from morons on phones.
Almost every single file that comes across my desk can be attributed to one or more parties not paying attention.
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Road head on a country road is fun though...
One fine morning I was riding my bicycle down a rural country road near where I live. I notice a car pulled over to the side of the road and a guy standing outside it smoking a butt and probably taking a leak, but something didn't quite look right.

As I get up alongside him I couldn't help but notice he was being orally serviced by a young lady on her knees.

Then again, it was spring and, like pollen, romance was in the air.

I suppose that given the theme of this thread they should both be commended for their commitment to safety.
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