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View Poll Results: Do you trust Elixir Guerrero?
Yes, with all my heart 4 13.33%
No, he's a bad man Boss 9 30.00%
not sure but Something stinks in the septic tank 13 43.33%
Thomas is Alex, Elixir is Thomas144 and Spaghetti Monster controls him 6 20.00%
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Old 06-08-2018, 04:56 PM   #91
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No, but I tend to wait until they are before I say they are. Brady has played 18 years and has never failed a test. I think I owe him the benefit of the doubt. Not to mention any of the crap that guerrero did, there has been zero sources of PED's coming out of his facility.
In the off chance it wasn't clear, I'm not accusing Brady of taking PEDs.
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But Alex, in Bradyís mind, makes him feel and perform better.

If some future QB comes along and goes to SBs and wins MVPs while crushing Coronas and chicken wings at 40+ then Iíll poop all over the TB12 plan. But it sure seems to be working.
That's the end of the discussion, its working. This is not about concussion water, or whatever people want to link, its about the resistance training which other places that are in high regard on fitness claims works. I read an entire Mens journal entry on it.

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In the off chance it wasn't clear, I'm not accusing Brady of taking PEDs.
I didn't say you were, but I think you made the notion available. Again, I can only go by what happens, not what I think, or I guess, or someone tells me. Jules took something it showed up in his pee, it happens about 50 times a year and it gets glossed over, I do not see the reason to somehow link Brady or guerrero to Jules or anyone else.
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In the off chance it wasn't clear, I'm not accusing Brady of taking PEDs.
But you're not saying he didn't, right? Right?


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But you're not saying he didn't, right? Right?


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I find it hilarious that a guy on reddit makes something up, and the sports media world runs with it like its set in stone, and people buy it. My hat is off to that reddit guy whoever he is.
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The main bitch I've got against Guerrero (in this instance, I have many overall) is his "disappointing" tweet. Even if he had zero to do with Edelman getting popped he shouldn't be saying a G*ddamn thing! He's an outside "trainer". And the to post something judgemental and disparaging towards any Pats player? F*ck him with a red hot buttplug! BB must have been apoplectic when he saw that tweet.

Actually the big fear I have with the "impending news" is: BB saw that tweet and laid down the law and banned Guerrero. Not just from the facility but from working with any Patriot in the offseason (i.e. the player would be out of here) and it isn't sitting well with some high profile players.

PS-I don't think that would include Brady. If it came down to an ultimatim of Guerrero or the Pats. Tom would pick the Pats.
Brady has a side hustle bidness (soon to be his full time bidness) with the guru...I beg to differ. This is a way bigger zoomed out version view for Brady imo. Like, could be in the billions of dollars per year potential.

No.

BB has no right on what Brady does with his training...as long as it's "legal". OK, as long as it's in the Pats facility...then he does.

Brady and his crew should just do their thing afterwards then. Bypass BB.

I can see both sides...
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If Brady is clean, and we have zero reason to doubt, how in the world can you argue against his methods?

In fact, only a fool would without firsthand knowledge about what they go thru and how you feel once youíre committed to the process.
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Well he just won mvp at age 40, so....There are a lot of players not even on the patriots that work out with him. Players do what works. When it stops working then they don't. If Brady or anyone thinks they can wear womans underwear and stay good, they will do it.
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I find it hilarious that a guy on reddit makes something up, and the sports media world runs with it like its set in stone, and people buy it. My hat is off to that reddit guy whoever he is.
The very same fvcking thing happens via the mass deception media... depending on their agenda angle.

Seriously...
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I find it hilarious that a guy on reddit makes something up, and the sports media world runs with it like its set in stone, and people buy it. My hat is off to that reddit guy whoever he is.
Yeah that was well played.
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I donít know his role in the Edelman saga but Iíve said from the start that heís an idiot and not far from a snake oil salesman. Heís a perfect representation of Ďnew ageí fitness that ticks boxes but isnít anything new nor groundbreaking. And most of it is rejected by actual high level athletic coaches.

So not sure if heís juicing dudes or whatever but I wouldnít be shocked. I hope heís out of the picture once Tom retires.


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But Alex, in Bradyís mind, makes him feel and perform better.



If some future QB comes along and goes to SBs and wins MVPs while crushing Coronas and chicken wings at 40+ then Iíll poop all over the TB12 plan. But it sure seems to be working.


Heís worth having around because Tom thinks it is responsible for his longevity and achievements.

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The very same fvcking thing happens via the mass deception media... depending on their agenda angle.

Seriously...
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I wish Elixir (good one, Mikie) had kept his mouth shut and instead said "I'm going to refrain from commenting for now, let's let the appeal process work the way it is designed to. Thank you for your interest".

But, he didn't.

I will continue to hope that Bill can find some way to allow these guys who have had good results with his methods continue to work with Elixir as long as they comply with what the team wants first. A compromise. I don't think he needs to be in the locker room or fly on the team plane in order for this to work.

So far, Brady and Gronk are leading the way and would clearly seem to have benefitted.

I find it really hard to believe that Edelman took the risk of taking HGH and getting caught and hope instead that it is a supplement of some kind that is a technical violation of some kind that was a simple mistake.

Guerrero's methods seem to be totally homeopathic from what I've read, but he should've realized that he needs to be neither seen nor heard right now and if his clients continue to perform well and talk about how much his methods have helped them then the world will eventually beat a path to his door without him going to Defcon 4.

This situation continues to be a sore spot for the organization and he made it a little harder to envision a compromise that would probably be the best thing for the team itself. I'm not going to blame Edelman's suspension on him at the moment and will just wait to see what happens.

I will note that Edelman's statement said that he "didn't know what happened" but stopped short of saying that he has never knowingly taken any PED. The way people in the public eye craft their public statements can be telling. The omission was glaring to me. Perhaps he didn't want the blowback of being proved as a liar.
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