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Old 01-11-2008, 10:04 AM   #151
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Re: Questions About Football Strategies, Formations, Schemes, ETC

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Originally posted by PlayMaker on 01-11-2008 at 07:29 AM
One of the questions I had was how does a QB recognize different Defensive set ups (zone? man? who is blitzing?) pre-snap?
I'll give this one a shot. As always, I preface my answer here by acknowleding that I am no expert but will do my best.

There are only a few basic coverages and most everything the defensive backfield does is built off of those basic coverages.

Teams use different terms for these coverages but I'll use the terms I learned.

Cover 0 Pure Man coverage w/no deep Safeties=MOFO
Cover 1 (Man Free) Man under w/one deep Free Safety=MOFC
Cover 2 Two Deep Safeties=MOFO
Cover 3 Three Deep Safeties=MOFC
Cover 4 Four Deep Safeties=MOFO

There are many variations of these basic families of coverages. Each coverage has it's strengths and weaknesses.

Coverages can be combined to specialize.

Examples
Man 2 Lock Two deep zone Safeties with man coverage by the CBs on the WR to each side and Zone coverage underneath.

Man 2 Stick which may have 2 deep Safeties and a man assigned to each receiver who releases.

Quarters: Some teams call Cover 4 Quarters while other use the term to identify a hydrid coverage where Cover 2 is played on one side and Cover 4 the other.

Cover 3 Cloud. The CB/SS exchange responsibilities but the coverage is still Cover 3.

Tampa 2. This is a hydrid coverage that combines Cover 2 and Cover 3 with the middle LB dropping to defend the deep middle.

These are too many coverage adjustments to list but they are based off of the basic families listed.

Most QBs are taught (they should be anyway) how these coverages work and are taught to recognize keys.

We talked last week about MOFO & MOFC. MOF=Middle of the field. O=Open C=Closed.

This is the first key to identifying the coverage.

Some coverages present a closed MOF while others present an open MOF.

The QB starts his read pre-snap by looking at the Safeties. On lower levels, the pre-snap read frequently holds up while higher levels disguise so much the QB has to make MOF reads as he drops to pass. For discussion purposes, let's pretend there is no disguising going on yet.

The QB reads the Safeties. Based on the coverage list above, MOFO or MOFC tells him the coverage can only be one of the families that fall into those categoties. Then he moves to the CBs looking for alignment clues. If there are no disguises, the CBs in Cover 2 are flat players initially and are hard corners (aligned 5 yards or closer to the LOS). He looks to see what technique the CBs are playing: Head-up? Inside leverage? Outside Leverage? Where are the CB's eyes. Locked onto the receiver means Man coverage, looking into the backfield means Zone.

So the QB sees MOFO with hard corners and inside alignment with their eyes locked on the WR. He's thinking that this is Man 2 covererage. )Maybe he sends a slot guy in motion and to see if the defender mirors the motion man's movement to try to confirm that the defenders are in Man under). On the snap he sees the nickle/dime/LBs dropping away from the LOS on pass (rather than closing on the receivers as they release they way they do in Man coverage). He knows they are playing Zone. So now he knows the coverage is Man 2 lock w/the under coverage playing zone listed in the examples above.

QBs will study the clues to identify each coverage (MOF, CB alignment & technique, technique of the underneath players). The QB doesn't go into the game blind either. He will receive scounting reports that tell him what the opponent likes to run in different situations & against certain formations while also telling him the techniques the defense has their players using in their coverages so he knows what he is looking for.

The QB will see these clues in his film study as he watches his opponent's game tapes. He will have an understanding of what the opponent wants to do and how they are going to try to do it. He will also talk with the coaches upsatirs during the game and look at the photos taken both pre and post snap as the game goes along.

When I get a chance I'll post a basic coverage recognition guide to look at.

I'll check in later. If there any questions (or disputes/clarifications etc) fire away. If the Blitz question is still open I'll do my best with that and also with the 1 vs. 2 gap question when I can if need be.

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Old 01-11-2008, 10:08 AM   #152
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Great idea for a thread.

Among the thousands of things that I've wondered while watching football, I've always wondered why DLineman who are down in a three-point stance suddenly shift (in unison) to the left and/or right.
To disrupt the Offensive Line's front recognition so they can't just tee off all day. The O-line makes calls telling each other how to block a certain front. A late shift messes with the calls and the execution and limits the O-Line's (and QB's) recognition time. The offesne has ways of countering this so it becomes a matter of doing it at the right time. It's an endless battle between the O and the D to counter each other's moves.
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Old 01-11-2008, 10:09 AM   #153
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There is some good stuff in the 'Route Diagrams' thread for about a week or two ago. Great idea for a thread, though, and hopefully it'll help in the vein of 'continuing education'.

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Old 01-11-2008, 10:23 AM   #154
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I won't quote the whole post but just wanted to thank AllWorldTE for giving me such an in depth answer.

I think I have a fairly easy one - is a QB Waggle and a Bootleg the same thing?
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I won't quote the whole post but just wanted to thank AllWorldTE for giving me such an in depth answer.

I think I have a fairly easy one - is a QB Waggle and a Bootleg the same thing?
In our offense, A Waggle means the QB rolls out after a split-flow (two backs going in two directions) play-action fake. A bootleg has the QB rolling away from both backs who are full flow (both backs going in the same direction). I am sure there are teams who describe the terms differently or only use one or the other.
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To disrupt the Offensive Line's front recognition so they can't just tee off all day. The O-line makes calls telling each other how to block a certain front. A late shift messes with the calls and the execution and limits the O-Line's (and QB's) recognition time. The offesne has ways of countering this so it becomes a matter of doing it at the right time. It's an endless battle between the O and the D to counter each other's moves.
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To disrupt the Offensive Line's front recognition so they can't just tee off all day. The O-line makes calls telling each other how to block a certain front. A late shift messes with the calls and the execution and limits the O-Line's (and QB's) recognition time. The offesne has ways of countering this so it becomes a matter of doing it at the right time. It's an endless battle between the O and the D to counter each other's moves.
Nothing better than when that works, and you get to see two confused O-linemen blocking the same guy while your team's defender blasts in untouched to nail the QB.
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Excellent thread idea.

If anyone has questions about various defense formations, here are some good links, with diagrams and such, to help...

3-4 Defense:

http://football.about.com/cs/a/34defense.htm

4-3 Defense:

http://football.about.com/cs//a/43defense.htm

Nickel:

http://football.about.com/cs//a/nickeldefense.htm

Dime:

http://football.about.com/cs//a/dimedefense.htm

Plus, there are plenty of links to other defensive formations etc.

Enjoy!
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Nah, I think Winslow was Howard's "All World-er"

In fact, he couldn't even say the guy's name without prefacing it: "All World Tight End Kellen Winslow"

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I would like to know more about "1 gap" and "2 gap" defense. I get the gist of it...I think, but I don't really grasp it or the difference, or how it is played differently on the line.

What do the Patriots normally do?
Let's see if I can spread the workload around a bit here:
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     TE     OT     OG     C     OG     OT     TE
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  d      c      b      a     a      b      c       d
You have 8 gaps that need to be defended. In a one-gap system, each member of the front seven would be assigned a gap to defend. They defend that gap by penetrating and filling the gap, trying to beat the blocker to the spot.

Now, with the numbers, there's one gap left undefended, at it's most basic that gap belongs to the Safety - think Indy and Bob Sanders. Indy is a one-gap defense, they penetrate off the snap and Sanders reads run/pass so well that he can commit to the line of scrimmage with little to no hesitation on most plays. The RB's job is generally to find the crease that allows him to explode out of the backfield and into the defensive secondary, Sanders would know which gap is undefended from the defensive calls and be expecting the RB to find that gap and meet him there.

In a two gap system the defenders are assigned two gaps. Instead of penetrating the gap to beat the blocker, the defender engages and controls the blocker while reading the backfield to locate the runner when he commits. Think Vince Wilfork: Vince is responsbile for the two "a" gaps. He will attempt to gain control of the C and be free to steer the C so as to allow himself a clear shot at the RB if he comes inside. Vince is supported in this by both ILBs, each of whom overlaps Vince on an "a" gap. In straight one-on-one blocking, the OGs are responsible to block the ILBs, this leaves Vince free to steer the center and make the play.

One gap and two gap do not rely on formation. Dallas and San Diego run 3-4 sets, but they are one gap teams. Indy and Buffalo are one gap 4-3 teams. NE is a two gap 3-4, Philadelpia is a two gap 4-3.

Think about Indy and NE in terms of player size. Indy uses smaller DL (Mathis was only around 225-230 when he came into the league, and Freeney at 260 was considered "light" for a DE. Both men try to beat the blocker with speed and quickness so their size gives them an advantage. Indy's DL are generally under 300 lbs and quick. NE has a 3 Defensive Tackle front, with four Defensive Ends playing Linebacker. Indy's Linebackers are all smaller and faster.

That's my gap control 100 class for you Baron.
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or was it hello Russ
OK, Mikie. Apparently Cosell called EVERY TE "All World"

"Russ Francis, whom Howard Cosell coined the All-World tight end when he played for the Patriots, was at Fenway to root for the Red Sox."

That's two. When I searched this, now they're calling Antonio Gates "All World Tight End." Why play favorites! :p
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