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Old 10-12-2017, 10:58 AM   #16
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F felger and Mazz anyway.

Felger is a little bitch, that picture with napkins on his cold legs told me all I need to know about the pampered little pecker.


and Mazz used to be a great baseball guy with now chokes up on Felger's bat all day.
100% agree. Mazz is still good for baseball though.
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Funny. Everyone gives Mazz his due with baseball. I’ve never heard him be correct once.
That's the thing with Mazz. He can critique every move the Red Sox make with no accountability at all. Listeners, most anyway, assume he knows what he's talking about so he rarely gets challenged. Once in a while a caller will tell him why he's wrong and more often than not that caller gets cut off while Mazz babbles on & on or changes the subject. I'm not a fan of Mazz and I hate HATE his baseball show. Thankfully he's done til April with that crap.

Felger has decent knowledge of football having covered the Pats for 5+ years at the Herald, but he's a prick on air so who can listen? Still, he doesn't come close to Bedard in football knowledge so he should just shut up and let Bedard do his thing of educating the listeners.

Here's an example of what Bedard brings to Pats fans as he explains why the Pats couldn't play man coverage the first 4 games.

One of the problems with playing man coverage is that you have to have at least five players that are capable of playing man coverage against targets of varying sizes and speeds, from big receivers to little scat backs. To play man, you need players that are capable of playing man against all possible targets.
“If you don’t feel like you have enough matchups in man coverage, then it’s hard to call man coverage,” Bill Belichick said last month.
One of the big problems for the Patriots entering Thursday night’s game against the Bucs was that in the first four games of the season, they felt they couldn’t matchup in one crucial coverage area: Patriots linebackers vs. the opponent’s running backs.
The Chiefs had speedsters Kareem Hunt and Akeem Hunt. The Saints had impressive rookie Alvin Kamara. Lamar Miller and D’Onta Foreman both ran sub 4.5 seconds in the 40. And the Panthers had the very quick Christian McCaffrey.
In the first four games, the Patriots had Kyle Van Noy, Elandon Roberts and David Harris available to matchup with running backs. None of them can provide straight man coverage of any backs, let alone that group. That’s why you saw the Patriots attempt to use safety Jordan Richards at linebacker against the Chiefs. Turns out he wasn’t much better, and offered zero resistance to the run, so that experiment was quickly abandoned.
As a result, the Patriots tried to play it safe by playing more zone to cover for the linebackers. We all know the result: the worst defense in the league in yards and points allowed.
So in facing the Bucs, on a short week no less, Matt Patricia and Belichick were faced with a major dilemma: How do we let our secondary play at their best while not exposing the linebackers and the integrity of the rest of the offense?
There were a few subtle tweaks, some good advanced scouting and just some good fortune that enabled the defense to get its groove back in Tampa Bay, and lead — yes, lead — the Patriots to a 19-14 win over the Buccaneers.
Here’s how it happened.
First of all, the Bucs don’t feature their backs very much in the passing attack, other than for a checkdown for Jameis Winston. Sure, they’ll occasionally split one out and try to exploit a matchup but it doesn’t happen that often. Plus, with DeSean Jackson and O.J. Howard on the roster to go along with Mike Evans and Cameron Brate, the Bucs are now more of a downfield passing team. And their best receiving back, Doug Martin, had just come off suspension so he was bound to be rusty and not a huge part of the game plan.
That worked out exactly as planned, as Martin only caught one of three targeted pass for 8 yards.
The other component was knowing that when the Bucs go to shotgun and have a back in the backfield, that back is part of the protection packages. Basically, the Patriots could discern on film and through study that if they the lined up with so many defender on the line of scrimmage, the back would either a) have to stay in block, b) chip an edge rusher, or c) at least delay his path into the pattern until he was sure danger had passed.
For that part of the plan, the Patriots often put Van Noy and Dont’a Hightower (back many times at his inside linbacker spot) on the line. That caused the back to stay in and block, or delay his route. Both were wins for the Patriots because that meant they only had to defend the four other eligible receivers with five-to-seven defenders.
https://www.bostonsportsjournal.com/...riots-defense/



Felger doesn't have the knowledge to do that. Analysis is what Bedard does best; poking fun at others & ridicule is Felger's schtick. I don't like him as a person or as a sports broadcaster.


As an aside, Bedard's explanation goes back to the discussion about the Pats poor front 7 personnel and why it came to this. Our LBs suck and our best DLs are inexperienced. Draft last, or close to last, in line and this is what happens. All the best players are gone when it's the Pats turn to choose.
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I don't think there has ever been a morning sports radio team that I ever liked. Not EEI, or the Sports Hub, or any of them.

BUT....I'll take F&M over Dennis and Callahan all day, every day. D&C just could not suck enough.

EDIT: Sorry, I was thinking Toucher and Rich.

Still, the point stands.

I actually like Mazz....and in fairness, they make fun of EVERYONE.

Both morning shows are complete sh*t. D & C was bad, but actually got 100X worse when Minihane got involved. He's f*cking useless. Worst guy on the radio in Boston media, and it's not even close. And that's saying alot considering that Felger and Mazz are here.

Listening to T & R for more than 5-8 minutes makes your IQ drop. They are like a couple of teenage girls and they know jack about sports.
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Old 10-12-2017, 12:19 PM   #20
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That's the thing with Mazz. He can critique every move the Red Sox make with no accountability at all. Listeners, most anyway, assume he knows what he's talking about so he rarely gets challenged. Once in a while a caller will tell him why he's wrong and more often than not that caller gets cut off while Mazz babbles on & on or changes the subject. I'm not a fan of Mazz and I hate HATE his baseball show. Thankfully he's done til April with that crap.
I agree with you.

Once Mazz left baseball for the radio his baseball writing dropped. When he was a daily guy with sources he could talk to everyday, he was pretty in tune with the team. But about 2 months after taking tis radio gig with Felger he became a typical radio dolt and no longer was interesting when talking baseball.
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I agree with you.

Once Mazz left baseball for the radio his baseball writing dropped. When he was a daily guy with sources he could talk to everyday, he was pretty in tune with the team. But about 2 months after taking tis radio gig with Felger he became a typical radio dolt and no longer was interesting when talking baseball.
I read Mazz's stuff for years...he was absolutely the spawn of Satan. 100% wrong, 100% of the time. My dogs were more knowledgeable.
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That's the thing with Mazz. He can critique every move the Red Sox make with no accountability at all. Listeners, most anyway, assume he knows what he's talking about so he rarely gets challenged. Once in a while a caller will tell him why he's wrong and more often than not that caller gets cut off while Mazz babbles on & on or changes the subject. I'm not a fan of Mazz and I hate HATE his baseball show. Thankfully he's done til April with that crap.

Felger has decent knowledge of football having covered the Pats for 5+ years at the Herald, but he's a prick on air so who can listen? Still, he doesn't come close to Bedard in football knowledge so he should just shut up and let Bedard do his thing of educating the listeners.

Here's an example of what Bedard brings to Pats fans as he explains why the Pats couldn't play man coverage the first 4 games.

One of the problems with playing man coverage is that you have to have at least five players that are capable of playing man coverage against targets of varying sizes and speeds, from big receivers to little scat backs. To play man, you need players that are capable of playing man against all possible targets.
“If you don’t feel like you have enough matchups in man coverage, then it’s hard to call man coverage,” Bill Belichick said last month.
One of the big problems for the Patriots entering Thursday night’s game against the Bucs was that in the first four games of the season, they felt they couldn’t matchup in one crucial coverage area: Patriots linebackers vs. the opponent’s running backs.
The Chiefs had speedsters Kareem Hunt and Akeem Hunt. The Saints had impressive rookie Alvin Kamara. Lamar Miller and D’Onta Foreman both ran sub 4.5 seconds in the 40. And the Panthers had the very quick Christian McCaffrey.
In the first four games, the Patriots had Kyle Van Noy, Elandon Roberts and David Harris available to matchup with running backs. None of them can provide straight man coverage of any backs, let alone that group. That’s why you saw the Patriots attempt to use safety Jordan Richards at linebacker against the Chiefs. Turns out he wasn’t much better, and offered zero resistance to the run, so that experiment was quickly abandoned.
As a result, the Patriots tried to play it safe by playing more zone to cover for the linebackers. We all know the result: the worst defense in the league in yards and points allowed.
So in facing the Bucs, on a short week no less, Matt Patricia and Belichick were faced with a major dilemma: How do we let our secondary play at their best while not exposing the linebackers and the integrity of the rest of the offense?
There were a few subtle tweaks, some good advanced scouting and just some good fortune that enabled the defense to get its groove back in Tampa Bay, and lead — yes, lead — the Patriots to a 19-14 win over the Buccaneers.
Here’s how it happened.
First of all, the Bucs don’t feature their backs very much in the passing attack, other than for a checkdown for Jameis Winston. Sure, they’ll occasionally split one out and try to exploit a matchup but it doesn’t happen that often. Plus, with DeSean Jackson and O.J. Howard on the roster to go along with Mike Evans and Cameron Brate, the Bucs are now more of a downfield passing team. And their best receiving back, Doug Martin, had just come off suspension so he was bound to be rusty and not a huge part of the game plan.
That worked out exactly as planned, as Martin only caught one of three targeted pass for 8 yards.
The other component was knowing that when the Bucs go to shotgun and have a back in the backfield, that back is part of the protection packages. Basically, the Patriots could discern on film and through study that if they the lined up with so many defender on the line of scrimmage, the back would either a) have to stay in block, b) chip an edge rusher, or c) at least delay his path into the pattern until he was sure danger had passed.
For that part of the plan, the Patriots often put Van Noy and Dont’a Hightower (back many times at his inside linbacker spot) on the line. That caused the back to stay in and block, or delay his route. Both were wins for the Patriots because that meant they only had to defend the four other eligible receivers with five-to-seven defenders.
https://www.bostonsportsjournal.com/...riots-defense/



Felger doesn't have the knowledge to do that. Analysis is what Bedard does best; poking fun at others & ridicule is Felger's schtick. I don't like him as a person or as a sports broadcaster.


As an aside, Bedard's explanation goes back to the discussion about the Pats poor front 7 personnel and why it came to this. Our LBs suck and our best DLs are inexperienced. Draft last, or close to last, in line and this is what happens. All the best players are gone when it's the Pats turn to choose.
Maybe we need to tank a season or two and get some high draft picks and build that front 7 up

EDIT: just realised BB would probably parlay that in to multiple mid-to-late first picks plus a bunch of later round picks and frustrate everyone yet again with his propensity for trading down in the draft
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Felger and Mazz are dirt bags. They always have been. But, who cares about Bedard. Screw him too.
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Nice analysis from Bedard there, Chevs. I thought there was something like that and was pretty sure they would start correcting it. Thanks.
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A couple of months ago and a long time after I stopped listening to them, I mistakenly clicked my car radio to Felger and Mazz and decided to see how long it took for them to say something negative about the team that just won the greatest SB comeback in history.

It was during the Malcolm Butler FA thing and it took almost a full 10 seconds for Mazz to squeak that Belichick was a cheapskate who nickel and dimes his best players.

Satisfied that I haven't been missing anything for the last two years, I immediately changed the station and haven't heard either one of those nitwits since.

They might get great ratings in this market from Pats fans who stayed tuned to hear them drop bombs, but they won't come from me.

Oh, and about them riffing on Bedard-- it's like the rappers say.....bitches be jealous.
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It shocks me that D and C are now number one in the morning ratings. They don't even talk sports most of the time in the few instances I tuned in. I just want some sports to escape from politics and mindlessness for a few and there is really no option except the Off buttons.
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I'm not going to deny that Mazz pisses in the punch bowl, but that's what I like about him.

Also, I do have some limited experience with sports radio in other parts of the country...and boy...Bostonians don't know how good they have it, I think, for local sports talk.

If you think Boston sports radio sucks....have you ever listened to those overnight syndicated generic sports talk shows? Know how bad they are?

Take those awful syndicated shows, throw in some pom poms and a few more phone calls like "This player is really great. Don't you think he's great? He's really great."...and the host says: "I agree with you, this player is really great and we are lucky to have such a great player."
That's what most of the country listens to, guys.

Seriously...is that what we want around here? No way! Give me 100 Mazzeroti's any day over that nauseating crap in places like New York and Michicgan.....ugh.
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I'm not going to deny that Mazz pisses in the punch bowl, but that's what I like about him.

Also, I do have some limited experience with sports radio in other parts of the country...and boy...Bostonians don't know how good they have it, I think, for local sports talk.

If you think Boston sports radio sucks....have you ever listened to those overnight syndicated generic sports talk shows? Know how bad they are?

Take those awful syndicated shows, throw in some pom poms and a few more phone calls like "This player is really great. Don't you think he's great? He's really great."...and the host says: "I agree with you, this player is really great and we are lucky to have such a great player."
That's what most of the country listens to, guys.

Seriously...is that what we want around here? No way! Give me 100 Mazzeroti's any day over that nauseating crap in places like New York and Michicgan.....ugh.
I get that. And I have heard around the country a bit. TV is even worse btw.

And I like the disagreements. The calling out. The different trains of thought.

They lost me with DG, as most did.

Bark all you want about Minehane, but he and Hurley we FAR and away the most learned on the scandal. His period where he would have a guest that was ranting about it and then call them out and elicit discussion was gold. He crushed them all.
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I watch and listen to so little of the analysis stuff and the talk radio any more that I expect my opinion is skewed.

In the past I was avid. I watched every game. I watched the post game show. 100% of the time in the car was spurts talk. I watched several shows. I listened to every Patriots Football weekly podcast. I read several writers religiously and was interested in some others. I watched virtually every Patriots presser or interview I could find. As I said, I was avid.

Slowly but surely I started cutting things out. The first to go was the voluminous articles that reported on the pressers. I watched the pressers. Much of the time there were characterizations of the pressers that were absurd or they focused on some phrase or word used and beat it to death. I watched the thing I can figure out what he meant. So, articles dissecting pressers went. Talk radio and the podcasts were next. It must be a difficult job trying to fill time talking about something when there isn't that much to report. The two sides to every story and extreme positions is exhausting. Clearly there are those that like the back and forth, the constant battling but to me it just became silly and uninteresting. The gratuitous criticism where none is warranted is exasperating. They need to fill time to be sure but it is something I am not interested in. So talk radio and podcasts were gone. Articles and shows that analyzed the game were next. I watched the game I know what happened. Hell, I expect many watch the games occasionally disagreeing with the analysis of those making the call, why seek more out later? I watched the game. I know what happened.

So, I watch the games, sometimes a 2nd time. I listen and watch the pressers. I listen to the WEEI Brady and Belichick interview. I like some of the Patriots.com stuff. I visit this web site. Not saying that if there isn't a story worth chasing I won't follow it but the every day silliness isn't worth the time.

All the rest is crap.

Felger and Mazz and Bedards drama is exactly why I cut all that stuff out.
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