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Old 08-13-2008, 02:22 PM   #31
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Well we have not compared anyone with that issue yet, but I guess we can do Qb rating, thats pretty much same no matter how many games or like I said take the 14 game players same number of games which would take them into the 7th year. If it comes up then I will do it, but none of the 14 games Qb's look even close.
So how would you compare Otto? You probably were not even born to see him play....so how can you compare them....Ask almost anyone and they will tell you Montana is the greatest QB of all time. Are they going to be saying that 30 years from now?
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The problem is, midgar wants to compare greatest QB's of all time, but he does not want to include their era. I can argue Otto Graham is the greatest QB of all time....pretty much if you look at the most proliferate trophy of the sport at the time...I even giver Bradshaw credit even though I hate him that he is probably the greatest of his era...How can you not say Marino is the greatest of his era with the numbers he put up compare to other QB's? Mannings numbers are better than Brady's, but he also has played longer...and the game has changed into a passing game unlike when Graham played.


I said name me 5 Qb's who had a better first 6 years than brady, from any era, I dont care, name 5. Stop trying to say what you think Im doing. Im trying to show that d22 is a complete idiot for saying brady is nothing without superbowls, although for some reason d22 has to take things away from brady to try and compare him with others. I can say marino is not the greatest of his era, montana was much better. marino was terrible in the playoffs sorta like manning.
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Old 08-13-2008, 02:25 PM   #33
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I said name me 5 Qb's who had a better first 6 years than brady, from any era, I dont care, name 5. Stop trying to say what you think Im doing. Im trying to show that d22 is a complete idiot for saying brady is nothing without superbowls, although for some reason d22 has to take things away from brady to try and compare him with others. I can say marino is not the greatest of his era, montana was much better. marino was terrible in the playoffs sorta like manning.
Here is one then. Otto Graham.
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So how would you compare Otto? You probably were not even born to see him play....so how can you compare them....Ask almost anyone and they will tell you Montana is the greatest QB of all time. Are they going to be saying that 30 years from now?


I didnt compare anyone, I asked for 5 hall of fame Qb's who had a better first 6 years than brady, but hey do whatever you want, name me 5 qb's period who had a better first 6 years than brady. You guys are dancing around this shit like crazy. You morons can pop off about how crappy brady is, I ask you to back it up and you want to change the argument.
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Here is one then. Otto Graham.


Stats wise no, which is what d22 wanted to go by, but even if I gave you graham out of charity thats not 5.
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Stats wise no, which is what d22 wanted to go by, but even if I gave you graham out of charity thats not 5.
Jim Kelly
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If you go by the 6 years Young started (and we know why he wasn't a starter), then Steve Young.
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Just curious where did you go for all of these stats midgar?

BTW- just for shits and giggles Montana's 1st six years vs. Brady's
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If you go by the 6 years Young started (and we know why he wasn't a starter), then Steve Young.


Here is kelly and young compared to brady. I took youngs 6 years he was a starter.


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1555-2562 19574 yards 138 td's - 89 ints 87 Qb rating
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1895-3061 21564 yards 147 td's - 78 ints 89 Qb rating

So kelly no, will do young in a sec.
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Here is kelly and young compared to brady. I took youngs 6 years he was a starter.


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1555-2562 19574 yards 138 td's - 89 ints 87 Qb rating
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1895-3061 21564 yards 147 td's - 78 ints 89 Qb rating

So kelly no, will do young in a sec.
Your stats say nothing. Look at how many more run plays they used back then compared to now....5000 less passes is my point exactly. If you subtract 5000 passes like Brady has, then your numbers would read 1395. There was only 2 different points in QB ratings....Obviously the more you throw the ball, the better it will be. Also, it is much easier to name the receivers for Brady than it is for Kelly. I can only think of Reed off the top of my head.
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Moon would probably be better statistically due to the Run N Shoot style the Oilers played ~
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I was going to say him, but his statistics are not better...but here is my opinion, he was a more important part to that offense since it was built around him.
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I was going to say him, but his statistics are not better...but here is my opinion, he was a more important part to that offense since it was built around him.
well again this also eludes back to games played, im sure he was involved in the strike season...
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well again this also eludes back to games played, im sure he was involved in the strike season...
Plus he lost a couple years in the CFL I believe....He couldn't help it that no team wanted to adapt a Black QB who could run.
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Your stats say nothing. Look at how many more run plays they used back then compared to now....5000 less passes is my point exactly. If you subtract 5000 passes like Brady has, then your numbers would read 1395. There was only 2 different points in QB ratings....Obviously the more you throw the ball, the better it will be. Also, it is much easier to name the receivers for Brady than it is for Kelly. I can only think of Reed off the top of my head.


Well its odd that brady threw the ball so much more yet had less ints. Im sorry that brady was asked to throw the ball more in his first 6 years, but his stats are better. Marino had more passes than brady why didnt you say anything about that?
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