Gun Control Breaking it down

[AkPatsFan]

Originally Posted by Baron Samedi

For anyone that night be interested in the "bullet hole size" stuff;

To make an exit wound that size, you would need something high powered, like a 30-06 or .270 Winchester Magnum, with soft point bullets, and enough body mass to give the bullet time to expand and fragment...about 12" to 18" of penetration through flesh. The bullet would weigh about 170 grains, on average.

For a .223 or 5.56 (basically the same caliber, for purposes here), these bullets are long and skinny, torpedo shaped, and weigh only 55 grains, on average. This is the caliber that AR-15's shoot, generally. You can make or build them to shoot an whole variety of other calibers, but the .223 is what 90% of them shoot.

Now, the thing about being a long, skinny, lightweight, zippy little bullet is that once it hits something soft, such as gelatin or flesh, it destabilizes very quickly. It will tumble and come to a stop fairly quickly.

Whereas one of the calibers I mentioned above will bore a hole right through the target, expanding as it goes, because it is weighty, and fast, and has enormous kinetic energy and momentum, the .223 will hit resistance and slow down almost immediately, dispersing it's kinetic energy by tumbling, and thus will not necessarily make a straight wound channel, but the bullet will act like a knuckleball and kind of hook and curve as it fragments.

What this means is that a .223 round can, in theory, make a hole as large as shown, it would be very unusual, and require the bullet to fragment, most of the fragments to travel together roughly, and each fragment maintain enough kinetic energy to exit the other side. It can be done. It has been done. But it would be a 1 in a million wound.

Mind you, that's not to say the .223 is impotent. It isn't. It is designed to basically mangle internal organs, which it does pretty well. It is not designed to blow big holes in things...for that you need big bullets that are short and fat, not long and skinny lightweight bullets.

I'm not trying to score any points here other than bringing some insight into firearms and design. It should be informative to both sides of the debate.

Not to be picky or anything but there is no such thing as a 270 winchester magnum, I actually own a 270 and it's a great hunting round. Now there is a 270 WSM (wichester short magnum) but I don't know what the ballistics are on it.

I once had a buddy that shot a pretty nice bull moose with his 06 and the exit wound was devistating, you could put both your fists through it. The moose didn't even drop with that shot and went about 50 yards before it finally fell over, that was one tough sob.

[Baron Samedi]

Originally Posted by AkPatsFan

Not to be picky or anything but there is no such thing as a 270 winchester magnum, I actually own a 270 and it's a great hunting round. Now there is a 270 WSM (wichester short magnum) but I don't know what the ballistics are on it.

You are correct.

The .270 "WinMag" slang generally refers to WSM, to distinguish it from .270 Winchester, which predates it, and is not considered a "magnum" cartridge, while the .270WSM is a competitor to cartridges that are in the "magnum" category, such as 7MM Remington Magnum.

So, I was using slang terms in common use, sort of like a ".45 automatic pistol", which is common usage, but technically incorrect.

EDIT: Possibly the "Winmag" term was also to distinguish the cartridge from the Weatherby Magnum in .270, also. I'm not sure.

EDIT 2: Just for the heck of it...only marginally relevant to the conversation;

[IU_Knightmare]

This gang banger went old school on his mass murder spree. If he had only used a gun, the left could have added another tick to their Mass Shooter chart.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/crime...JQw?li=BBnb7Kz

[Baron Samedi]

A year after 75 were shot over a weekend, Chicago police have not solved most of the attacks: ‘We’re not happy. We’re not pleased’

http://archive.is/rCI8d#selection-3881.0-3881.130

Ban guns for law abiding citizens, fail to investigate murders on the streets.

When the goal is to disarm citizens, you need the killers free to continue to justify your gun grabbing desires.

[imapig]

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[Big/Sky/Fly]

Originally Posted by imapig

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They just need a few moar mass shootings (both fake and real) along with the media machine to reach their unified goal.

[PatsFan09]

Great sign.


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[Dwight Schrute]

Do not travel to NYC airports with a gun.

Licensed. Called TSA in advance for proper procedure. Followed to the letter of the law. Still jailed.

https://youtu.be/3Xs_jrnmwoU

[Dwight Schrute]

I wonder if they truly feel this way...

https://youtu.be/BYVqmBaqgPU

[Baron Samedi]

Originally Posted by Dwight Schrute

Do not travel to NYC airports with a gun.

Licensed. Called TSA in advance for proper procedure. Followed to the letter of the law. Still jailed.

https://youtu.be/3Xs_jrnmwoU

NYC is famous for this crap....busting people on layovers are the airport, busting people using the restrooms at highway rest areas, people stopping to eat at restaurants, all kinds of stuff.

NYC interprets the law as basically if you stop in New York for anything other than pumping gas, then you are not just passing through, and thus you are in violation of New York gun laws.

See...gun grabbers are primarily interested in disarming law abiding citizens, and/or making them criminals. The truth is....and never forget this, because everything they do and say makes sense if you remember it..

Liberals and Gun Grabbers consider the Right to Bear arms a crime, unless you work for government.

That's it.

That's why they don't distinguish between people who illegally own and use guns, and those who legally do it. In the mind of the liberals and gun grabbers, they are the same thing.

[Dwight Schrute]

Originally Posted by Baron Samedi

NYC is famous for this crap....busting people on layovers are the airport, busting people using the restrooms at highway rest areas, people stopping to eat at restaurants, all kinds of stuff.

NYC interprets the law as basically if you stop in New York for anything other than pumping gas, then you are not just passing through, and thus you are in violation of New York gun laws.

See...gun grabbers are primarily interested in disarming law abiding citizens, and/or making them criminals. The truth is....and never forget this, because everything they do and say makes sense if you remember it..

Liberals and Gun Grabbers consider the Right to Bear arms a crime, unless you work for government.

That's it.

That's why they don't distinguish between people who illegally own and use guns, and those who legally do it. In the mind of the liberals and gun grabbers, they are the same thing.

Maybe some day it can be brought to the Federal level and they can bitch slap the back assward state.

[IU_Knightmare]

Whether it be conspiracy theorists, Bigfoot believers, religious zealots, or any number of idealists or fetishists or bigots whose ideas or lifestyles..I can still take a live and let live approach and accept their existence no matter how much I disagree.

That being said, I cannot reconcile however, that people who think this way exist in such numbers in a country such as ours. This is truly disgusting. Fuck them...hard, raw and dry with the largest phallic object possible in the smallest orifice they have.

https://philadelphia.cbslocal.com/20...lice-officers/

https://www.lawenforcementtoday.com/...adelphia-cops/

It’s the kind of thing that leave you without words.

There’s a rally planned Friday night in North Philadelphia in support of Maurice Hill, complete with a protest.

He’s the man accused of shooting six Philadelphia police officers. And according to organizers, they’re expecting hundreds of people. Why? Because apparently… racism.

[Big/Sky/Fly]

Originally Posted by Baron Samedi

NYC is famous for this crap....busting people on layovers are the airport, busting people using the restrooms at highway rest areas, people stopping to eat at restaurants, all kinds of stuff.

NYC interprets the law as basically if you stop in New York for anything other than pumping gas, then you are not just passing through, and thus you are in violation of New York gun laws.

See...gun grabbers are primarily interested in disarming law abiding citizens, and/or making them criminals. The truth is....and never forget this, because everything they do and say makes sense if you remember it..

Liberals and Gun Grabbers consider the Right to Bear arms a crime, unless you work for government.

That's it.

That's why they don't distinguish between people who illegally own and use guns, and those who legally do it. In the mind of the liberals and gun grabbers, they are the same thing.

Or the mob...but, they're part of the gubmint. Close ties anyway...

[Big/Sky/Fly]

Originally Posted by IU_Knightmare

Whether it be conspiracy theorists, Bigfoot believers, religious zealots, or any number of idealists or fetishists or bigots whose ideas or lifestyles..I can still take a live and let live approach and accept their existence no matter how much I disagree.

That being said, I cannot reconcile however, that people who think this way exist in such numbers in a country such as ours. This is truly disgusting. Fuck them...hard, raw and dry with the largest phallic object possible in the smallest orifice they have.

https://philadelphia.cbslocal.com/20...lice-officers/

https://www.lawenforcementtoday.com/...adelphia-cops/

[Dwight Schrute]

Originally Posted by IU_Knightmare

Whether it be conspiracy theorists, Bigfoot believers, religious zealots, or any number of idealists or fetishists or bigots whose ideas or lifestyles..I can still take a live and let live approach and accept their existence no matter how much I disagree.

That being said, I cannot reconcile however, that people who think this way exist in such numbers in a country such as ours. This is truly disgusting. Fuck them...hard, raw and dry with the largest phallic object possible in the smallest orifice they have.

https://philadelphia.cbslocal.com/20...lice-officers/

https://www.lawenforcementtoday.com/...adelphia-cops/

Be a crying shame if an incident happened.