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Old 05-04-2015, 12:15 PM   #1
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30 for 30: Elway to Marino

I apologize if this has been discussed in here but I watched this last night and found it educational.

The draft in 1983 was so much different than today. Each team had a table with their helmet logo on it. That was it. Players weren't there. It was very low key.

Anyway, Elway started his NFL career as a douche and is now solidifying that reputation.

The Pats were in the mix for a trade that would have landed Elway in Foxboro. The starting price was John Hannah. Plus draft picks. Incredible.

Patrick Sullivan talked about how badly they wanted Jim Kelly to fall to them at 15. (Buffalo picked him at 14)

Kelly was praying that the Bills didn't draft him. Probably a big reason why he went into the USFL.

The Steelers wanted Marino in the worst way but they couldn't justify the pick.

So much more went on that draft. Lots of nostalgia.

Anyway, if you haven't seen it - it's worth a look.
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I apologize if this has been discussed in here but I watched this last night and found it educational.

The draft in 1983 was so much different than today. Each team had a table with their helmet logo on it. That was it. Players weren't there. It was very low key.

Anyway, Elway started his NFL career as a douche and is now solidifying that reputation.

The Pats were in the mix for a trade that would have landed Elway in Foxboro. The starting price was John Hannah. Plus draft picks. Incredible.

Patrick Sullivan talked about how badly they wanted Jim Kelly to fall to them at 15. (Buffalo picked him at 14)

Kelly was praying that the Bills didn't draft him. Probably a big reason why he went into the USFL.

The Steelers wanted Marino in the worst way but they couldn't justify the pick.

So much more went on that draft. Lots of nostalgia.

Anyway, if you haven't seen it - it's worth a look.
What a shame that Eason was the backup plan, instead of Marino.

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What a shame that Eason was the backup plan, instead of Marino.

Still can't even believe that Kelly, Eason, O'Brien and Blackledge were drafted ahead of Marino.
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Saw this the other night (last week sometime) and thought it was great. Didn't know if it was a new show, or what. Got to love those helmet phones.
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What a shame that Eason was the backup plan, instead of Marino.

Ron Meyer was apoplectic that they took Eason. That's what happens when you have owner's sons as GMs. The good old days.
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The Pats were in the mix for a trade that would have landed Elway in Foxboro. The starting price was John Hannah. Plus draft picks. Incredible.
That's a trade that should have been made. I'm not surprised it wasn't but wow.

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Meyer may have been a clown but he knew talent. Sullivan not so much.
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That's a trade that should have been made. I'm not surprised it wasn't but wow.



Meyer may have been a clown but he knew talent. Sullivan not so much.
Accorsi wouldn't do the trade in the division. That would have been the steal of all steals, considering Hawg retired after the 85 season.
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Still can't even believe that Kelly, Eason, O'Brien and Blackledge were drafted ahead of Marino.
Can you believe Chad Pennington, Giovanni Carmazzi, Chris Redman, Tee Martin, Marc Bulger, and Spergon Wynn were picked before TFB+?
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Accorsi wouldn't do the trade in the division. That would have been the steal of all steals, considering Hawg retired after the 85 season.
That's a shame. I wonder if Elway would have taken his ball and gone home if it were made.
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Absolutely right. Meyer was a clown. I couldn't stand him, but he was certainly an interesting character.

Right after we hired him local news ran a clip of him giving a halftime speech at SMU and Meyer was on fire and invoked Jesus to help guide his team several times. Just like at a tent revival. I thought at that point we were in big trouble, but I never heard him thump the Bible around the Pats or even mention religion.

He is worth a thread all by himself, but one thing that stuck out to me was that he would just do some crazy stuff scheme-wise. We drafted an OL named Bob Cryder with our 1st rounder in '78 and that was the year we set the rushing record.

He was an OK run blocker though nothing special, but one season Meyer decided he wanted the OL to put on some beef because we were going to run the ball. Cryder added a lot of weight --- and a lot of muscle (probably 'roids) and was sort of exhibit 1. We ran the ball great that year which was probably Cryder's best season. People were starting to notice him after he was considered a bit of a disappointment early on.

Anyhow, that year we gave up a ton of sacks and the next year Meyer reversed field and said he wanted the OL to lose weight to pass block better. The whole line. Not just one or two guys. That worked but this time our rushing suffers quite a bit. Cryder had a tough year and got hurt, if I remember right.

I think the linemen were not fond of the radical changes from year to year. At one point Hannah was running around the stadium looking for him and telling people he was going to kill Meyer for telling lies in the newspaper or something like that.
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I think the linemen were not fond of the radical changes from year to year. At one point Hannah was running around the stadium looking for him and telling people he was going to kill Meyer for telling lies in the newspaper or something like that.
I've heard that story about Hannah trying to find him somewhere. I can picture Ron hiding in a dryer or submerged in the whirlpool breathing through a straw while Hannah raged.

Grogan says Meyer was an incompetent X&O man and the worst football coach he'd ever encountered but a great politician and master bullshitter. There's rumors he had a great singing voice as well.....
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Still can't even believe that Kelly, Eason, O'Brien and Blackledge were drafted ahead of Marino.

Did it go into Shula spreading rumors about Marino's pot usage, setting the stage for his drop down to Miami ???

Just curious...
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Did it go into Shula spreading rumors about Marino's pot usage, setting the stage for his drop down to Miami ???

Just curious...
In the ESPN version, they hinted at it. I don't remember it in the NFL Network version.

Edit - That league let Shula do whatever the **** he wanted for decades, and he still spent the last 20 years of his career not winning shit.
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Absolutely right. Meyer was a clown. I couldn't stand him, but he was certainly an interesting character.

Right after we hired him local news ran a clip of him giving a halftime speech at SMU and Meyer was on fire and invoked Jesus to help guide his team several times. Just like at a tent revival. I thought at that point we were in big trouble, but I never heard him thump the Bible around the Pats or even mention religion.

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He was an OK run blocker though nothing special, but one season Meyer decided he wanted the OL to put on some beef because we were going to run the ball. Cryder added a lot of weight --- and a lot of muscle (probably 'roids) and was sort of exhibit 1. We ran the ball great that year which was probably Cryder's best season. People were starting to notice him after he was considered a bit of a disappointment early on.

Anyhow, that year we gave up a ton of sacks and the next year Meyer reversed field and said he wanted the OL to lose weight to pass block better. The whole line. Not just one or two guys. That worked but this time our rushing suffers quite a bit. Cryder had a tough year and got hurt, if I remember right.

I think the linemen were not fond of the radical changes from year to year. At one point Hannah was running around the stadium looking for him and telling people he was going to kill Meyer for telling lies in the newspaper or something like that.
I always thought the Patriots would have done better over Meyer's tenure, had they had SMU's payroll instead of their own.
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