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Old 07-10-2018, 08:43 AM   #16
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Kavanaugh:

"The Constitution establishes a clear mechanism to deter executive malfeasance [impeachment]; we should not burden a sitting President with civil suits, criminal investigations, or criminal prosecutions."
As far as I can tell, that is a Jim Acosta quote, not a Kavanaugh quote. As such, there is a lot of nuance lost from the original.

Nonetheless, I don't entirely agree with Kavanaugh having read his original brief, which is here;

http://www.minnesotalawreview.org/wp...anaugh_MLR.pdf

He basically says that a sitting president cannot do his job if subjected to questioning and having to prepare statements and dedicate time to his own defense. I disagree partially.

What he states is that the Constitution provides the impeachment process to handle presidential misbehavior......but he fails to acknowledge that without an investigation, it would be difficult, if not impossible, to bring Articles of Impeachment, in my view.

I don't care for substituting an investigation with rumors and media stories. What else is there to impeach on if not facts brought to light in investigation?
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As far as I can tell, that is a Jim Acosta quote, not a Kavanaugh quote. As such, there is a lot of nuance lost from the original.

Nonetheless, I don't entirely agree with Kavanaugh having read his original brief, which is here;

http://www.minnesotalawreview.org/wp...anaugh_MLR.pdf

He basically says that a sitting president cannot do his job if subjected to questioning and having to prepare statements and dedicate time to his own defense. I disagree partially.

What he states is that the Constitution provides the impeachment process to handle presidential misbehavior......but he fails to acknowledge that without an investigation, it would be difficult, if not impossible, to bring Articles of Impeachment, in my view.

I don't care for substituting an investigation with rumors and media stories. What else is there to impeach on if not facts brought to light in investigation?
Well, exactly. I read the entire MN writing last night. There was a lot that stood out to me, especially in the footnotes and bullet points.
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Politically I hope I'm wrong, but the part about sparing the president from investigations could very well give the left leverage to tie this up through the midterms. If the left gets a normal (and expected?) mid-term bump , they could well be in a position to defeat the appointment out right.

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One of the reasons McConnell didn't want this nomination was because he has so many writings and adjudications, Articles, opinion papers, etc, that the Senate would Need substantial and significant time to pore over everything, and it could run into midterms. That's why he was pushing for Hardiman, so they could have quick hearings.
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Oh great. We either get a president above the law or completely remove any pretense of the impeachment process being evidence based.

Because being investigated is inconvenient.
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By the way, I'm with Baron on this. If I had my way every president would ALWAYS be under investigation.
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Oh great. We either get a president above the law or completely remove any pretense of the impeachment process being evidence based.

Because being investigated is inconvenient.
On the other hand we have 60 or so democrats who already voted to impeach in the absence of any credible evidence whatsoever and that was 6 months ago. Maybe that’s what Kavanaugh refers to.
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Donald Trump's Supreme Court Nominee Helped Defend Obamacare

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EDIT: You can't make this stuff up....the Dems, in their never ending quest to fuck themselves....

Dems strategy on Trump pick: Unify around health care

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It's as good as we can expect under the present circumstances.

He's not a raving 'flouride-in-the-water-is-a-communist-plot' lunatic, and he's not a Dominionist whack-job (Can't confirm whether he's Opus Dei or not, so he's probably not).

His opinions show a hard-core conservative, but he's not insane. So take that for what its worth. He actually knows the law and follows it.

It could have been Judge Fucking Judy or something, so there's that.
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The reason why he was chosen...he is a Catholic/Jesuit. Same team as Trump.
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Kavanaugh's staunch gun-rights defense among hundreds of decisions in spotlight

Hundreds of Brett Kavanaugh’s decisions are now in the spotlight after President Trump formally selected him Monday night to fill retiring Supreme Court Justice Anthony Kennedy's seat.

Kavanaugh, 53, formerly clerked for Kennedy and was elevated to the powerful federal appeals court in the District of Columbia by former President George W. Bush, under whom he had also served as a White House lawyer and staff secretary.

In his 12 years as a judge, Kavanaugh has issued approximately 300 opinions and delivered numerous speeches and legal arguments. Among them is his dissenting opinion on a pivotal gun ban in 2001.

In Heller v. District of Columbia, the D.C. Circuit Court upheld the District’s ordinance banning most semi-automatic rifles. But in that case, Kavanaugh wrote the dissenting opinion, arguing the Supreme Court had already decided handguns – “the vast majority of which today are semi-automatic” – are constitutionally protected under the Second Amendment.

He said despite gun violence in the area, “our task is to apply the Constitution and the precedents of the Supreme Court, regardless of whether the result is one we agree with as a matter of first principles or policy.”

The Supreme Court eventually took the case and struck down the ordinance; it held that the Second Amendment protects the possession of semi-automatic weapons for purposes unrelated to militia use.

The National Rifle Association applauded Kavanaugh’s nomination as its president, Chris W. Cox, cited his “impressive record that demonstrates his strong support for the Second Amendment.”

On the other side, the Giffords Law Center to Prevent Gun Violence derided the pick, saying he has “issued prior rulings that are ideologically aligned with the gun lobby and reflect a radical interpretation of the Constitution under which public safety justifications play no role in Second Amendment jurisprudence.”

But aside from gun-related legislation, lawmakers will have to sift through Kavanaugh’s rulings on countless other issues as they decide whether to confirm him to the nation’s highest court. Read on for a look at other opinions or decisions Kavanaugh is sure to be asked about in the coming months.

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2018...spotlight.html

There is more to the article about abortion rights, Obamacare, and other stuff.

But...you can count me as "all in" on this nominee. My primary SCOTUS interest is well represented here.

"Radical interpretation of the Constitution" my ass. How about "Original intent of the Constitution", jackasses. How about read Madison't Notes on the Constitution, or The Federalist Papers.....you know...the people who wrote it and what they thought it meant in their writings? YOu won't like what they have to say, no doubt.....but "radical interpretation" is the most dumbass abjective you could have chosen.

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Federalist #46

Extravagant as the supposition is, let it however be made. Let a regular army, fully equal to the resources of the country, be formed; and let it be entirely at the devotion of the federal government; still it would not be going too far to say, that the State governments, with the people on their side, would be able to repel the danger. The highest number to which, according to the best computation, a standing army can be carried in any country, does not exceed one hundredth part of the whole number of souls; or one twenty-fifth part of the number able to bear arms. This proportion would not yield, in the United States, an army of more than twenty-five or thirty thousand men. To these would be opposed a militia amounting to near half a million of citizens with arms in their hands, officered by men chosen from among themselves, fighting for their common liberties, and united and conducted by governments possessing their affections and confidence. It may well be doubted, whether a militia thus circumstanced could ever be conquered by such a proportion of regular troops. Those who are best acquainted with the last successful resistance of this country against the British arms, will be most inclined to deny the possibility of it. Besides the advantage of being armed, which the Americans possess over the people of almost every other nation, the existence of subordinate governments, to which the people are attached, and by which the militia officers are appointed, forms a barrier against the enterprises of ambition, more insurmountable than any which a simple government of any form can admit of. Notwithstanding the military establishments in the several kingdoms of Europe, which are carried as far as the public resources will bear, the governments are afraid to trust the people with arms. And it is not certain, that with this aid alone they would not be able to shake off their yokes. But were the people to possess the additional advantages of local governments chosen by themselves, who could collect the national will and direct the national force, and of officers appointed out of the militia, by these governments, and attached both to them and to the militia, it may be affirmed with the greatest assurance, that the throne of every tyranny in Europe would be speedily overturned in spite of the legions which surround it.

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The reason why he was chosen...he is a Catholic/Jesuit. Same team as Trump.
No, it's not.
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Heh...keep drinking it.
lol, yeah, that's me, I'm a kool-aid drinker.

The honest opinion about the guy, is that he's more than qualified to be a SCOTUS judge, his work on the DC Circuit alone proves that.

I hope that somehow he loses of course, but that's just partisan/ideological on my part.

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The reason why he was chosen...he is a Catholic/Jesuit. Same team as Trump.
Trump will be very surprised to find out that he's a Catholic.
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lol, yeah, that's me, I'm a kool-aid drinker.

The honest opinion about the guy, is that he's more than qualified to be a SCOTUS judge, his work on the DC Circuit alone proves that.

I hope that somehow he loses of course, but that's just partisan/ideological on my part.

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Trump will be very surprised to find out that he's a Catholic.
Well, he made that pretty clear in his speech last night, but I doubt Trump was paying attention what with basking in the glory of all of his GOP sycophants applauding him.

I found it amusing that he switched up from his usual elongated red tie to a blue one, though.
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Trump doesn't have nearly enough self-loathing to be a Catholic.
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“The single best reason why President Trump should not put Brett Kavanaugh on the US Supreme Court – he is a wholly owned subsidiary of the Bush crime family who’s campaign for the court is being managed by Karl Rove. Kavanaugh was up to his ass in the cover up of the death of Clinton Lawyer Vince Foster.” Roger Stone



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