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Old 10-25-2018, 01:46 PM   #3631
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None of that matters. What we are talking about is the impeachment part. The reason for all the impeachment talk is that the left wing, democrats, the MSM, academia and hollywood doesn't like him, not that he did anything wrong.
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None of that matters. What we are talking about is the impeachment part. The reason for all the impeachment talk is that the left wing, democrats, the MSM, academia and hollywood doesn't like him, not that he did anything wrong.
Republicans initiated the special counsel because the Dems, media, & Hollywood didn't like Trump? Or did they initiate it because there were criminals, lies, cover-ups, obfuscations, obstructions, and extremely strong stenches of collusion?

Maybe President Donald John Trump actually did nothing wrong. He has had a very whacky way of acting, in that case. Meaning- he has attacked, hidden from testimony after lying that he would, impugned. Anything but cooperation.

Can't wait to hear what Manafort, Gates, Papa, Hope Hicks, Priebus, Cohen, Flynn, and the rest have testified to. If Trump was innocent, he'd be anxious to hear, too.

He is anything but.

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At least half of the Republicans in Washington wanted Hillary to be president. Probably more.
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At least half of the Republicans in Washington wanted Hillary to be president. Probably more.
The people who 'hate' grows Including, apparently, some of the 'best people' in his own admin. Another reason blaming anything on 'the left' here is active mental disassociation...

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I see.

So, if someone gets a job at your workplace, is there for 3 months, and then gets arrested for something they did 12 years ago, then you are guilty by association. If that new employee raped someone 12 years ago, then you are complicit and likewise a rapist.

Makes a lot of sense.
Yeah sorta like Kraft and Hernandez, you know.

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DOJ Ties a Trump FISA Release to Obstruction

In court filings last week the Department of Justice deployed what could be the nuclear option in its latest effort to prevent President Trump from declassifying information regarding FISA warrants used to spy on his campaign aide Carter Page: It is claiming that such a move would interfere with Special Counsel Robert Mueller’s investigation.

This is the first time the DOJ has explicitly made this argument implying personal peril for the president, since interference could open Trump to charges of obstruction of justice. Until now, the department has argued that declassifying the documents threatened national security.

In the 178-page court document, DOJ officials said they had “determined that disclosure of redacted information in the Carter Page FISA documents could reasonably be expected to interfere with the pending investigation into Russian election interference."

That rationale has heightened suspicions among congressional investigators that the special counsel is being used to prevent the disclosure of possible FBI abuses and crimes committed during the Russia probe. Opened by the FBI in July 2016, the Russia investigation was taken over by Mueller when Deputy Attorney General Rod Rosenstein appointed him special counsel in 2017.

By the DOJ’s logic, according to one source, the fact that the investigation is ongoing protects it from scrutiny, including the president’s.

Neither the Department of Justice nor the Office of the Special Counsel would respond directly to this charge.

"The obstruction trap was built into the special counsel," a congressional investigator told RCI, speaking, like the two other sources in this article, only on condition of anonymity.  “If Trump fires Mueller, or Rosenstein, or declassifies documents [embarrassing to the FBI] it’s likely to bring an obstruction charge.”

And that would mean double jeopardy for Trump. “Obstruction is the instrument the Democrats are likely to use to impeach Trump if they win the House,” said the congressional source.

The upshot is that the president will likely hold off on declassification,  at least until after the midterms in November, and  congressional investigators are likely to be stymied, at least for now, in their quest to expose what they call Obama-era surveillance abuses.

The DOJ’s latest decision to not declassify the documents came in response to a March 2017 Freedom of Information Act request from a nonprofit, the James Madison Project, seeking records related to Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act applications or warrants to monitor the Trump campaign and associates.

In July, the Justice Department released heavily redacted versions of the four warrants taken out on Page. They confirmed the House Intelligence Committee’s February memo arguing that the warrant relied on Clinton-funded opposition research, the so-called Steele dossier. Now congressional oversight committees are requesting declassification of 20 pages from the final Page warrant.

The response to the Madison Project further fed a suspicion that the special counsel was intended from the beginning to be a mechanism to protect senior officials, by circumventing lines of authority that might have proved more favorable to shedding light on the Russia investigation.

“Rosenstein knew there was no collusion case,” said a second congressional source. “But he still appointed Mueller as special counsel. That took the Russia investigation away from the FBI and gave Rosenstein ultimate control of it. It’s not an investigation, it’s leverage.”

The sources told RCI that the president and the DOJ are at a standoff. “Trump knows that what’s in those documents clears him of all the collusion stuff,” said a third congressional source, “and it shows the FBI was doing some very bad things.”

But what’s now keeping Trump from pulling the curtain back on the Russia investigation is the probe itself. “That’s the leverage the DOJ has on Trump,” explained this source. “Nothing on Russia or collusion or anything like that — it’s the actual investigation. If he’s seen to be interfering, they move to obstruction.”

Supporters of this view note that by the time Rosenstein appointed Mueller in May 2017, the FBI had been monitoring Page’s communications for more than half a year. It appears they had nothing on him, but the warrant was renewed one last time in June. “If the FBI had evidence against Page for collusion,” said the third source, “you’d think he’d have been indicted.”

Rosenstein’s leverage may explain why Trump has resisted the calls of congressional Republicans and other allies who believe he can clear his name by unveiling evidence of abuses and possible crimes committed during the Russia probe.

The release of the court documents makes it clear that any such move would potentially push the investigation into a different and even more dangerous phase.

Trump’s ability to push back on the special counsel is limited. What may look to some like a series of well-plotted countermeasures are instead events that have worked to his fortune.

For instance, Attorney General Jeff Sessions has announced that there are 27 open investigations of leaks. But the recent indictment of a Senate intelligence staffer for lying to the FBI regarding Russia investigation-related incidents and the arrest of a Treasury Department official for leaking Russia probe-related information appear to be unrelated to that announcement.

The recent news that Rosenstein had considered recording the president for the purpose of removing him from office in 2017 was not unearthed by Trump allies. Rather, it emerged as the result of a public feud between the deputy attorney general and former Deputy FBI Director Andrew McCabe, now facing a grand jury. Rosenstein said he had been joking about the wiretap.

Trump, according to one source, knows that Rosenstein is not on his side. If he were to fire him, however, that would provide a Democratic-controlled House with another possible case for obstruction.

For at least the next two weeks until the midterms, Trump’s hands are tied.

If Republicans hold the House, congressional investigators will become even more aggressive – especially if Trump replaces Sessions, who has recused himself from the Russia probe.

If Democrats win the House, it is likely they will shut down many of the investigations into the DOJ and FBI. That outcome, sources say, helps explain why DOJ keeps raising roadblocks to transparency.

“DOJ is just playing to delay,” said one of the sources. “They’re banking on Democrats taking the House back in November, at which time the [congressional] investigations go away.”

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Republicans initiated the special counsel because the Dems, media, & Hollywood didn't like Trump? Or did they initiate it because there were criminals, lies, cover-ups, obfuscations, obstructions, and extremely strong stenches of collusion?

Maybe President Donald John Trump actually did nothing wrong. He has had a very whacky way of acting, in that case. Meaning- he has attacked, hidden from testimony after lying that he would, impugned. Anything but cooperation.

Can't wait to hear what Manafort, Gates, Papa, Hope Hicks, Priebus, Cohen, Flynn, and the rest have testified to. If Trump was innocent, he'd be anxious to hear, too.

He is anything but.

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Looks like you might not have to wait for Papa...

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/polit...h9S?li=BBnbfcL
Papadopoulos has taken to claiming that he got set-up. He said Friday that he might withdraw from his plea deal, and he claimed that the government performed committed some misconduct.

“Given certain information that I learned just yesterday, that I can’t publicly disclose right now, I’m actually even considering withdrawing my agreement I have come to with the government,” he said on FOX & Friends.






Set up? You don't say.

Everyone knows this. Yes, even the MSM knows this, but they won't report on it.

You can not pay attention to news and be uninformed, or you can watch MSM news and be misinformed. That's just the way it goes nowadays.

Who exactly do you think is behind the War on Free Speech and non-corporate information streams?
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With Nunes out of his Chair position, it's time for Schiff to hit the fan for Trump.

Quality tantrum by him at his presser today, btw.

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With Nunes out of his Chair position, it's time for Schiff to hit the fan for Trump.

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With Nunes out of his Chair position, it's time for Schiff to hit the fan for Trump.

Quality tantrum by him at his presser today, btw.

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Burying the Other Russia Story
Adam Schiff will shut down the probe that found FBI abuses.

Arguably the most important power at stake in Tuesday’s election was Congressional oversight, and the most important change may be Adam Schiff at the House Intelligence Committee. The Democrat says his top priority is re-opening the Trump-Russia collusion probe, but more important may be his intention to stop investigating how the FBI and Justice Department abused their power in 2016. So let’s walk through what we’ve learned to date.

Credit for knowing anything at all goes to Intel Chairman Devin Nunes and more recently a joint investigation by Reps. Bob Goodlatte (Judiciary) and Trey Gowdy (Oversight). Over 18 months of reviewing tens of thousands of documents and interviewing every relevant witness, no Senate or House Committee has unearthed evidence that the Trump campaign colluded with Russia to win the presidential election. If Special Counsel Robert Mueller has found more, he hasn’t made it public.

But House investigators have uncovered details of a Democratic scheme to prod the FBI to investigate the Trump campaign. We now know that the Hillary Clinton campaign and the Democratic National Committee hired Fusion GPS, which hired an intelligence-gun-for-hire, Christopher Steele, to write a “dossier” on Donald Trump’s supposed links to Russia.

Mr. Steele fed that document to the FBI, even as he secretly alerted the media to the FBI probe that Team Clinton had helped to initiate. Fusion, the oppo-research firm, was also supplying its dossier info to senior Justice Department official Bruce Ohr, whose wife, Nellie, worked for Fusion.

House investigators have also documented the FBI’s lack of judgment in using the dossier to obtain a Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act (FISA) warrant against former Trump aide Carter Page. The four FISA warrants against Mr. Page show that the FBI relied almost exclusively on the unproven Clinton-financed accusations, as well as a news story that was also ginned up by Mr. Steele.

The FBI told the FISA court that Mr. Steele was “credible,” despite Mr. Steele having admitted to Mr. Ohr that he passionately opposed a Trump Presidency. The FBI also failed to tell the FISA court about the Clinton campaign’s tie to the dossier.

This abuse of the FBI’s surveillance powers took place as part of a counterintelligence investigation into a presidential campaign—which the FBI also hid from Congress. Such an investigation is unprecedented in post-J. Edgar Hoover American politics, and it included running informants into the Trump campaign, obtaining surveillance warrants, and using national security letters, which are secret subpoenas to obtain phone records and documents.

Mr. Nunes and his colleagues also found that officials in Barack Obama’s White House “unmasked” Trump campaign officials to learn about their conversations with foreigners; that FBI officials exhibited anti-Trump bias in text messages; and that the FBI team that interviewed then Trump National Security Adviser Michael Flynn reported that they did not think Mr. Flynn had lied about his Russian contacts. Mr. Mueller still squeezed Mr. Flynn to cop a guilty plea.

All of this information had to be gathered despite relentless opposition from Democrats and their media contacts. Liberal groups ginned up a phony ethics complaint against Mr. Nunes, derailing his committee leadership for months. Much of the media became Mr. Schiff’s scribes rather than independent reporters. Meanwhile, the FBI and Justice continue to stonewall Congress, defying subpoenas and hiding names and information behind heavy redactions.

There is still much more the public deserves to know. This includes how and when the FBI’s Trump investigation began, the extent of FBI surveillance, and the role of Obama officials and foreigners such as Joseph Mifsud, a Maltese academic who in spring 2016 supposedly told Trump campaign adviser George Papadopoulos that Russia held damaging Clinton emails. When he takes over the committee, Mr. Schiff will stop asking these questions and bless the FBI-Justice refusal to cooperate.

Senate Republicans could continue to dig next year, but Mr. Mueller seems uninterested. Attorney General Jeff Sessions in March asked Utah U.S. Attorney John Huber to look into FBI misconduct, but there has been little public reporting of what he is finding, if he is even still looking. Justice Inspector General Michael Horowitz is investigating, though that report is likely to take many more months.
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All of which puts an additional onus on Mr. Trump to declassify key FBI and Justice documents sought by Mr. Nunes and other House investigators before Mr. Schiff buries the truth. A few weeks ago Mr. Trump decided to release important documents, only to renege under pressure from Deputy AG Rod Rosenstein and members of the intelligence community.

Mr. Sessions resigned this week and perhaps Mr. Rosenstein will as well. Meantime, Mr. Trump should revisit his decision and help Mr. Nunes and House Republicans finish the job in the lame duck session of revealing the truth about the misuse of U.S. intelligence and the FISA court in a presidential election.

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Trump's tweets today are at butthurt fear level midnight, re Mueller.

He should be afraid.

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I don't get that impression at all.

In fact, I get the opposite impression. I would guess that it has to do with Whitaker being in charge of the investigation now.
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