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Old 10-19-2017, 12:17 PM   #1006
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The guy has no tact. He shit on McCain's POW ordeal, Khizir Khan and his wife, used General Kelly's dead son as a political leverage point....

The congresswoman's agenda is probably that Trump is an oaf, and there is something to that.
Come on now Ben, the Democrats are just as guilty of using these GS families to further their agendas and it needs to stop on both sides.

I think we all know what her agenda is and it has nothing to do with him being an "oaf".
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Old 10-19-2017, 06:18 PM   #1007
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I can agree with that, sometimes he just doesn't know when to STFU.

That said, there are plenty enough GS families that were consoled by Trump and none of them ever came out accusing him of not being empathetic until now.

This congress woman has an agenda and I'm just not buying what she says, she's dragging this poor widow into this just to help her cause of getting rid of Trump. Why isn't anyone talking about that?
That congresswoman is despicable, a guy who was there and has his own loss has some credibility however.
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John F. Kelly, the White House chief of staff, delivered an emotional, personal defense of President Trump’s call this week to the widow of a slain soldier, describing the trauma of learning about his own son’s death in Afghanistan and calling the criticism of Mr. Trump’s call unfair.
Mr. Kelly said that he was stunned to see the criticism, which came from a Democratic congresswoman, Representative Frederica S. Wilson of Florida, after Mr. Trump delivered a similar message to the widow of one of the soldiers killed in Niger. Mr. Kelly said afterward that he had to collect his thoughts by going to Arlington National Cemetery for more than an hour.
In a remarkable, somber appearance in the White House briefing room, Mr. Kelly, a retired Marine general whose son Second Lt. Robert Kelly was slain in battle in 2010, said he had told the president what he was told when he got the news.

“He was doing exactly what he wanted to do when he was killed,” Mr. Kelly recalled. “He knew what he was getting into by joining that 1 percent. He knew what the possibilities were, because we were at war.”
“I was stunned when I came to work yesterday, and brokenhearted, when I saw what a member of Congress was doing,” he said. “What she was saying, what she was doing on TV. The only thing I could do to collect my thoughts was to go walk among the finest men or women on this earth.”

Mr. Kelly, who had long guarded his personal story of loss even as he served as a high-profile public official, broke that silence in dramatic fashion on Thursday. With no advance notice to reporters, Mr. Kelly offered poignant criticism of the news media and the broader society for failing to properly respect the fallen.
The appearance came after Mr. Trump and the White House were consumed by criticism after the president’s actions this week — first appearing to criticize former presidents for failing to call the families of fallen service members and later for the words Mr. Trump chose to use in speaking with the widow of Sgt. La David T. Johnson.
Mr. Kelly defended Mr. Trump by offering a detailed, even excruciating description of what happens to those killed in combat, including how the remains are packed in ice for the flights back to the United States. He testified to the deep pain that parents feel when they get an early-morning knock on the door from an official there to tell them that their son or daughter has been killed in action.
“The casualty officer proceeds to break the heart of a family member,” Mr. Kelly said, his eyes reddening as he spoke.
He said that presidents often are not among those who call family members directly, and he confirmed what Mr. Trump had alluded to publicly this week: that former President Barack Obama had not called him after Lieutenant Kelly was killed.

“That was not a criticism, that was simply to say I don’t believe President Obama called,” Mr. Kelly said, adding that President George W. Bush and other presidents did not always make personal phone calls to family members. He said Lieutenant Kelly’s friends in Afghanistan called him in the hours after his son died.
“Those were the only phone calls that really matter,” Mr. Kelly said. “Yeah, the letters count to a degree. But there’s not much that can take the edge off.”
The controversy over Mr. Trump’s remarks began even before he made the calls to the families, when former Obama administration officials took offense at the suggestion that Mr. Obama had not done as much as Mr. Trump to pay honor to the fallen.
Mr. Kelly said that Mr. Trump did not intend that to be a criticism of his predecessor, but rather was repeating what Mr. Kelly had briefed him on before he got the question at an impromptu news conference on Monday in the Rose Garden.
Mr. Kelly expressed frustration and even anger at the fact that the conversation between Mr. Trump and Sergeant Johnson’s widow was exposed to the world by Ms. Wilson, a friend of the family, who was in the car with the family when the president’s call came in.
“I thought at least that was sacred,” Mr. Kelly said, expressing dismay at other aspects of society that were no longer sacred, including women, religion and Gold Star families.
Ms. Wilson had publicized her criticism of Mr. Trump’s call, saying that the president had told Sergeant Johnson’s widow that he “knew what he signed up for,” and that the family was offended by Mr. Trump’s words.
Mr. Kelly said that Mr. Trump had tried, in the call, to express what Mr. Kelly had talked to him about ahead of time — that people like her husband were doing what they loved, and what they had chosen to do, when they were killed serving the country.
“That’s what the president tried to say to four families,” Mr. Kelly said.
Mr. Kelly said that he was so upset on Wednesday that he went to the cemetery to walk among the service members who had died fighting for the country.
“Some of them,” he said, “I put there because they were doing what I told them to do when they were killed.”
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Old 10-19-2017, 07:06 PM   #1008
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What , the media possibly took something trump said out of the whole quote for ratings, surely you jest.
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Do you watch her live or through another source?
I watched it live.

It was the usual deflections used by all White Hose spokesmen when the boss says something stupid again.
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Old 10-20-2017, 12:19 PM   #1010
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When neither side is credible, does it matter?



EDIT: Incidentally, what gets lost in all this is "Why do we have US service members getting killed in Africa"? THAT's the real scandal.

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Old 10-20-2017, 01:45 PM   #1011
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When neither side is credible, does it matter?



EDIT: Incidentally, what gets lost in all this is "Why do we have US service members getting killed in Africa"? THAT's the real scandal.
Obama.
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Obama.
Yep, or Hillary, cant be Lord Donald, he's infallible
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Obama.
I would argue that it's GE.
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Old 10-20-2017, 02:55 PM   #1014
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No I mean Obama initially sent troops into that area and that's why they're there.
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Gen. Kelly kicked everybody's ass in that speech. That's what happens when the adults decide to speak up.
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Gen. Kelly kicked everybody's ass in that speech. That's what happens when the adults decide to speak up.
Kelly chose to get personal with the congresswoman and dropped some alternative facts (non-truths) to try and make political points. He has diminished himself by going too far to curry favor with his insane boss.

Trump is now actively sparring with the widow herself. Pregnant, grieving, and dealing with an infant of a POTUS.

****ing FAIL.
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The GOP and Trump are having lunch today to see if they can get any goddamn thing done (next up- tax reform).

Trump is out front, laying the groundwork for success by appealing to the GOP Senators he will need to push the nebulous nefarious ill-defined bullshit proposal he desperately needs to get a 'win':




Seems to be going over quite well!



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Two republicans decided not run for their seat in Congress because of trump. Two seats had their swamp drains pulled. Still want to see term limits.
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LOL, is "draining the swamp" still a thing?
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If I were a "Never Trump/Not My President" leftist, this would be a story I would want investigated and pursued, because there is actually a trail of documentation to it, something real..

$300,000,000 Puerto Rico Contract Given to Trump-Connected Company with 2 Employees

http://theantimedia.org/puerto-rico-...trump-company/

The problem, of course, is that this story doesn't give cover for the DNC leaks/Seth Rich murder like the "Russian hackers" story, so they'll continue to pursue red unicorns and red rainbows to protect their own deceptions...which is the real reason for the Red Scare.
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