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Old 12-05-2019, 08:39 AM   #16
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What I know of EBT cards is there are certain things that it's coded note to pay for such as hot food and non' food items. There is also a cash side that can use if you get it that can be used on just about anything except things like booze, tobacco, lottery etc at a store. The food part I have seen work flawlessly but the cash part, I've seen it used to buy beer and stuff.

I'm guessing they were withdrawing the cash from that side at an ATM at the hotel since you can't use either side in a restaurant, business or such unless it's a store or ATM.

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the cards are offered to shoppers all the time, IF I go to a certain supermarket I have a 25% chance of being offered a 200$ card for $50 or $100 - I refuse to purchase them but people are always doing it.

plus a lot of privately owned 7-11 type of stores will ring in other items and sell the beer, butts, or lottery that way.
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Old 12-05-2019, 09:09 AM   #17
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I think you are missing the definition of Socialism. But what do I know?
I'm not talking about "socialism", I'm talking about "socialists". Not the same thing at all.

We are all socialists in America, if you define us by the government we live under.
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Old 12-05-2019, 09:10 AM   #18
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the cards are offered to shoppers all the time, IF I go to a certain supermarket I have a 25% chance of being offered a 200$ card for $50 or $100 - I refuse to purchase them but people are always doing it.

plus a lot of privately owned 7-11 type of stores will ring in other items and sell the beer, butts, or lottery that way.
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the cards are offered to shoppers all the time, IF I go to a certain supermarket I have a 25% chance of being offered a 200$ card for $50 or $100 - I refuse to purchase them but people are always doing it.

plus a lot of privately owned 7-11 type of stores will ring in other items and sell the beer, butts, or lottery that way.
NO!! You don't say!

But prohibition works every time! Free market capitalism never undermines prohibition!
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On 18 different occasions in 2019, a Massachusetts EBT card was swiped in Hawaii — including one that was used twice at a posh island resort where rooms fetch $800 a night, a report published Monday said.

The Boston Herald said it reviewed more than 2 million EBT expenditures over the past year and found thousands of out-of-state transactions that included withdrawals in Las Vegas and Alaska.

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https://www.foxnews.com/us/massachus...-hawaii-report

I likely take a different view of this than almost anyone else, but here it is....

Giving people free stuff cannot and should not give you control or ownership of them.

If you give someone free money, that's your business. If you object to how they use that money, that's your problem.

If you want to keep giving them money, but you are angry that you don't have enough power and control over them....I hate to break it to you, that makes YOU the Socialist.

If you are unwilling to give people money with no strings, without having power and control over them, you are the classic socialist exercising the classic socialist values.

Think about that for a moment....it makes no difference if you are a Republican, if you want power and control over these people, then you're a no-good socialist, too, just like every other socialist on the planet, because socialism is about enslaving people to your will through dependency, using their own money to do it.

If you object to the story above, of people exercising their own choices and freedoms with their own money (yes, it is THEIR money, not yours, because you fucking gave it away, got that? You have no more right to tell them what to do with their money, then they have to tell YOU what to do with YOURS!

If you don't want to give them money, then don't. But if you do, you give it to them, and walk away, and what they do with it is none of your fucking business because you no longer have any claim to it. You didn't buy yourself a human slave, you theoretically just gave someone free stuff out of your own goodness, but if then try to control them with it, you're not good, you're evil, the worst kind of evil, the kind of evil that disguises itself as goodness and charity.

That's my take. Many won't like it, but I don't believe that the poor have to sell their freedom, liberty, human rights, and their souls in exchange for social welfare. They are still free Americans, able to choose what they choose and do what they like. You are the problem, not them.

Either give, or do not give, but mind your own fucking business if you choose to give.

I disagree. I think this is a poor take actually. Personal or private giving is one thing. Give to a charity through your own free will is a choice. If you don't like what said charity does with your donation you are free to stop giving at any time. Government giving is completely different. I think it's totally fair for people to be ok with a government program that provides food for the disadvantaged, while simultaneously wanting some rules applied with respect to how the benefits can be used (or spent) as well as who said benefits should go to. Tax dollars are not the governments dollars. They are our dollars that the government spends. We are 100% entitled to having an opinion, and /or an expectation, that our hard earned tax dollars are used in the most efficient & responsible way possible. Using EBT money to vacation at an $800 a night hotel in Hawaii when most of us working folk couldn't afford to spend a night there is BS. Clearly if people on EBT are using "their" money in such places then they aren't starving and don't need "my" money to buy food. I think anyone who disagrees is actually part of the problem as acceptance of such behavior only promotes more waste and abuse going forward.
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I disagree. I think this is a poor take actually. Personal or private giving is one thing. Give to a charity through your own free will is a choice. If you don't like what said charity does with your donation you are free to stop giving at any time. Government giving is completely different. I think it's totally fair for people to be ok with a government program that provides food for the disadvantaged, while simultaneously wanting some rules applied with respect to how the benefits can be used (or spent) as well as who said benefits should go to. Tax dollars are not the governments dollars. They are our dollars that the government spends. We are 100% entitled to having an opinion, and /or an expectation, that our hard earned tax dollars are used in the most efficient & responsible way possible. Using EBT money to vacation at an $800 a night hotel in Hawaii when most of us working folk couldn't afford to spend a night there is BS. Clearly if people on EBT are using "their" money in such places then they aren't starving and don't need "my" money to buy food. I think anyone who disagrees is actually part of the problem as acceptance of such behavior only promotes more waste and abuse going forward.
Then your beef is with the government, because it's the government that took your money, not the recipients of EBT.

Unless, of course, your true interest is having power. Then, you are happy to give the government your money in exchange for gaining power over others who end up with some of it.

Before you object to that, I would point out the lack of outrage over the politicians who take your money and squander it over lots and lots of things that you no doubt disapprove of or object to, but yet there is no interest or outrage for them, who are, for all practical purposes, on great big, giant, no limit EBT cards themselves.

So, I wonder why there is emotional reaction to one, but yet not to the other?

EDIT: I'm not trying to be insulting, I'm trying to provoke a new way of looking at the whole thing and seeing it for what it is. I'm trying to break the sort of autonomic conditioned way of viewing the status quo.

Why do we object to the poor abusing your money, but not the politicians who make themselves millionaires off of abusing your money, or even the politicians who spend your money on many, many things that you would object to, regardless of your political tendencies?

Like me, for example..I object to spending my money on bombing children and hospitals. In fact, I object to spending my money on bombing anyone who isn't an invader and/or occupier of my country.

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Then your beef is with the government, because it's the government that took your money, not the recipients of EBT.

Unless, of course, your true interest is having power. Then, you are happy to give the government your money in exchange for gaining power over others who end up with some of it.

Before you object to that, I would point out the lack of outrage over the politicians who take your money and squander it over lots and lots of things that you no doubt disapprove of or object to, but yet there is no interest or outrage for them, who are, for all practical purposes, on great big, giant, no limit EBT cards themselves.

So, I wonder why there is emotional reaction to one, but yet not to the other?

EDIT: I'm not trying to be insulting, I'm trying to provoke a new way of looking at the whole thing and seeing it for what it is. I'm trying to break the sort of autonomic conditioned way of viewing the status quo.

Why do we object to the poor abusing your money, but not the politicians who make themselves millionaires off of abusing your money, or even the politicians who spend your money on many, many things that you would object to, regardless of your political tendencies?

Like me, for example..I object to spending my money on bombing children and hospitals. In fact, I object to spending my money on bombing anyone who isn't an invader and/or occupier of my country.
Maybe Iím an island but both piss me off.

Poor from MA should NOT be spending on $800 per nt spas. I work my tail off and canít swing that. Thatís not poor. Thatís pure fraud.

And career politicians need major reform. A guy that has a job with a salary of $120K in no way justifies a portfolio in the tens of millions. The job is SERVE the public, not FLEECE the public.
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Maybe Iím an island but both piss me off.

Poor from MA should NOT be spending on $800 per nt spas. I work my tail off and canít swing that. Thatís not poor. Thatís pure fraud.

And career politicians need major reform. A guy that has a job with a salary of $120K in no way justifies a portfolio in the tens of millions. The job is SERVE the public, not FLEECE the public.
You aren't alone on that island because I'm with you.

It ticks me off to hear of those who abuse tax-payer assistance. It's one thing if I directly give money to someone on the street, but it's another when the government is dictating where my tax money is spent which is why I'm really getting tired of Warren telling me that we should give welfare to illegal immigrants and fund sex reversal therapy (or whatever it's called) for inmates.

Having my tax dollars fund abuse by the government annoys me even more. While my example pales in comparison to Baron's reference to bombing children and hospitals, it got under my skin and has remained there since I read that groups targeted by the IRS won a $3.5 million dollar settlement.

https://www.washingtontimes.com/news...million-settl/

Now, I don't begrudge those who won the settlement because they were wrongly and illegally targeted by what Obama referred to as the "not a smidgen of corruption" IRS.

My gripe is that taxpayers ended up footing the bill while the likes of Lois Lerner was allowed to just resign and live off a very nice pension.

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