TB12 and Elixir Guerrero - how comfortable are you with his honesty?

[Dwight Schrute]

Well, for starters he was Big Willie McG’s guy. He introduced him to TB. I’m assuming it was in the course of treatment form some soft tissue work. Deep tissue massage. Stretching. What have you. Whatever it was Tom clearly was very impressed with the application and dnd results.

His credentials are what they are. If he has a Masters degree in Chinese Medecine and the school has since gone defunct that does not eliminate the work he put in and the subsequent credit he received.

The product? Any greens product is going to be beneficial to your body.

The claims, false testing, and lies? Reprehensible. There is no excuse for that and it just wasn’t necessary. The product would still be on the shelves and still making decent dough if the ONLY thing it had was TBs endorsement. He used unfathomable poor judgement with the claims and fake studies. I’ll never understand how TB stood behind that.

But the treatments and the lifestyle and the whole process that they run sure seems to be working. How can you argue that with the field results?

[PumpDee]

Alex Guerrero isn't the Patriots' Yoko Ohno. Tom is 40. The end is around the corner for him with the Patriots because of time, not his personal trainer. If anything, we should thank Guerrero for helping it last as long as it has.


I don't believe for a second that JE got a banned substance from Guerrero. If he was giving his clients PED's, Tom would've failed a test by now.

[mikiemo83]

Alex is not trusted because of the stuff Tommy posted about 10 post ago - it was all make believe mutterings of a Bullshitter.

Now maybe he was duped into it and never thought it would be what it was.

But I do not trust Alex.

BUT

IMO Jules F'd up and took some GNC product and never bothered to check the listing, I doubt he is foolish enough to try the ManninHGH Medical Method knowing he is part of the Alex Circle of trust and the league wants nothing more than to Catch Brady using.

I do not think Alex gave him it and my only reasoning for this this thread was the response by Alex, and by default Tom. It just comes across wrong, seems like they only cared about the brand protection and tossed Jules under the bus like a 76er's GM blaming his wife.

[EasyBigFella]

Originally Posted by mikiemo83

Alex is not trusted because of the stuff Tommy posted about 10 post ago - it was all make believe mutterings of a Bullshitter.

Now maybe he was duped into it and never thought it would be what it was.

But I do not trust Alex.

BUT

IMO Jules F'd up and took some GNC product and never bothered to check the listing, I doubt he is foolish enough to try the ManninHGH Medical Method knowing he is part of the Alex Circle of trust and the league wants nothing more than to Catch Brady using.

I do not think Alex gave him it and my only reasoning for this this thread was the response by Alex, and by default Tom. It just comes across wrong, seems like they only cared about the brand protection and tossed Jules under the bus like a 76er's GM blaming his wife.

THIS. Guerrero is a sleazeball and needs to be gone

[Jaric]

I love this meme that "Tom Brady is awesome so Dr Concussion Water must be on to something".

[EasyBigFella]

Originally Posted by Dwight Schrute

If Brady is clean, and we have zero reason to doubt, how in the world can you argue against his methods?

In fact, only a fool would without firsthand knowledge about what they go thru and how you feel once you’re committed to the process.

Concussion water that protects from sunburns? Seriously? The guy is a fraud. Stretching is hardly new to physical therapy but considering Brady trusts this guy 100% is scary considering some of his whacked ideas

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Originally Posted by Jaric

I love this meme that "Tom Brady is awesome so Dr Concussion Water must be on to something".

I'm starting to think some of my fellow Pats fans are drinking too much concussion water.

[Jaric]

Originally Posted by EasyBigFella

I'm starting to think some of my fellow Pats fans are drinking too much concussion water.

I think some of you just forgot how endorsements work.

[Big/Sky/Fly]

Originally Posted by Roberto71

I'm sorry, but anyone who promotes a benign food supplement as helping to cure cancer or aids or any myriad of serious illnesses is scum, pure and simple. These people prey on the extremely vulnerable, on very sick people who are desperate, along with their families, to try anything to save themselves from an horrific end. There's a special place in hell for those people.

Shame on Brady for associating himself with this charlatan snake oil salesman.

So big pharma is the answer...

No, no it's not.

Look up the stats on how most people die per year. It isn't guns. Not even close. It's because of health problems.

Big pharma is all about the money...

[HomelessJoe]

Originally Posted by Big/Sky/Fly

So big pharma is the answer...

No, no it's not.

Look up the stats on how most people die per year. It isn't guns. Not even close. It's because of health problems.

Big pharma is all about the money...

Calling out Alex Guerrero as a snake oil salesman is not an endorsement of big pharma.

[Jaric]

I'm convinced the only reason people buy in to "traditional Chinese medicine" is because it sounds exotic.

[mooseontheloose]

Originally Posted by Jaric

I'm convinced the only reason people buy in to "traditional Chinese medicine" is because it sounds exotic.

Your average person is also an idiot and thinks there’s a ‘secret’ to everything. I mean how do so many bullshit ‘diet regimes’ that are literally zero percent effective get shared by people so often on social media?

Also ties into an obsession with natural and home remedies etc. Homeopathy is a thing because people are idiots and want to believe that there’s a secret to success and that the mainstream has been doing it wrong.


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[Big/Sky/Fly]

Originally Posted by mooseontheloose

Your average person is also an idiot and thinks there’s a ‘secret’ to everything. I mean how do so many bullshit ‘diet regimes’ that are literally zero percent effective get shared by people so often on social media?

Also ties into an obsession with natural and home remedies etc. Homeopathy is a thing because people are idiots and want to believe that there’s a secret to success and that the mainstream has been doing it wrong.


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You can make the very same argument by flipping it the other way too...

Big pharma is all about patents. Patents = $. They don't give AF about results. Truth.

If your doctor recommends you a new wonder drug, make sure to understand that they get a kick back from big pharma, via their hot, sexy "legal" drug influencer (medical sales).

Are there a few big pharma drugs that are beneficial? I'm sure that there are a few of them.

[Patriots71]

Originally Posted by EasyBigFella

Concussion water that protects from sunburns? Seriously? The guy is a fraud. Stretching is hardly new to physical therapy but considering Brady trusts this guy 100% is scary considering some of his whacked ideas

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I'm starting to think some of my fellow Pats fans are drinking too much concussion water.

I'm starting to think that some of my fellow pats fans believe anything the media feeds them. Again. Brady does resistance training which is raved about by popular fitness mags and experts. If Brady thinks the training helps, and so far its hard to argue with the success who gives a flying fuck what he does as long as its legal. Tying Edelman's PED bust to it is a Volin, Dan S column waiting to happen. The boston media is finally getting its way.

[mikiemo83]

Originally Posted by Patriots71

I'm starting to think that some of my fellow pats fans believe anything the media feeds them. Again. Brady does resistance training which is raved about by popular fitness mags and experts. If Brady thinks the training helps, and so far its hard to argue with the success who gives a flying fuck what he does as long as its legal. Tying Edelman's PED bust to it is a Volin, Dan S column waiting to happen. The boston media is finally getting its way.

PED bust? They have no clue what it is. It could be mule sperm for all we know

You are as guilty as Alex, anddefault Tom, in condemning Jules.

[mooseontheloose]

Originally Posted by Big/Sky/Fly

You can make the very same argument by flipping it the other way too...



Big pharma is all about patents. Patents = $. They don't give AF about results. Truth.



If your doctor recommends you a new wonder drug, make sure to understand that they get a kick back from big pharma, via their hot, sexy "legal" drug influencer (medical sales).



Are there a few big pharma drugs that are beneficial? I'm sure that there are a few of them.

Not sure why you would think I was defending or advocating for big pharma. In fact pharma has little to do with what this guy does as his methods aren’t typically replacing drugs.

Same with dieting and fitness in general.

I don’t disagree that there are issues with big pharma but it’s not really relevant to the topic.


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