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Old 02-14-2018, 09:17 AM   #271
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Sure, but he was making 10M per in Seattle.

Gronk wants a new deal. I'd guess that our cap balancing tendencies make this an unlikely signing, but, shit, who wouldn't want him?
wouldn't make that here unless it's an incentives loaded deal. How much does winning mean to him at this point in his career vs. getting paid?

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10M for a really tall wr that's pretty good? I would do it...use him like Ahern or switch him around all over the field for constant mismatches.
exactly what I was thinking. Have him and Cooks run outside the numbers with Dola and JE11 on the inside. Could be outstanding.
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Can they afford to sign all of their picks?
Absolutely. The rookie scale has elminated the days when an unproven pick can break the bank. Their overall one, say Sam Darnold, should sign for 5 years at somewhere around 35M with the overall 4, possibly Saquon Barkley, coming in under 30, so the cap numbers for 2018 are easily manageable for a team sitting on fat stacks of cash.

The rest of them will be far less and Cleveland will be in great shape if the guys they pick can play--- right up until their deals all expire and they have to think about re-signing them for way more, in 4 or 5 years depending.

Rookies are a cap bargain under the current system, especially if you can get the 1st rounders to add the optional 5th year.
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Yeah changed up on him.

Maybe during the interview the Pats displayed a strong interest. Maybe there was little to no contact from Washington and they pounced right before Bill could. You have no idea what was said or indicated.
But you do? You know that BB guaranteed to draft Cravens no matter who was available? Come on. There was no promise to draft. If Cravens took strong interest to be a promise to draft, he's a dope.

Not getting drafted by a team that shows strong interest isn't uncommon. If he still has his panties in a twist two years later because BB didn't trade up to get him before the Skins could, something is seriously wrong with him. Next thing you know he might just walk out on the team. Oh wait...
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But you do? You know that BB guaranteed to draft Cravens no matter who was available? Come on. There was no promise to draft. If Cravens took strong interest to be a promise to draft, he's a dope.

Not getting drafted by a team that shows strong interest isn't uncommon. If he still has his panties in a twist two years later because BB didn't trade up to get him before the Skins could, something is seriously wrong with him. Next thing you know he might just walk out on the team. Oh wait...
I only speculated based off comments of the article. It seems he was excited at the prospect of being drafted by the Pats. The dynastic run is probably a pretty good attraction to prospects. Maybe not Lane Johnson, but many.

Washington jumps in without much communication.

Couple that with continued success here, struggles in Washington, and maybe not the best relationship with staff?

Who knows. I sure don’t.

But the guy has some incredible film and Bill could find a role. All this off field just significantly lowers his contract offer. An easy out low hit deal.

After watching this D it’s precisely the type of addition I’d look to add coupled with a strong draft
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Sure, but he was making 10M per in Seattle.

Gronk wants a new deal. I'd guess that our cap balancing tendencies make this an unlikely signing, but, shit, who wouldn't want him?
Your post is a few days old, but you are actually unintentionally touching an interesting point here.

Gronk want's a new deal, but his cap hit on todays deal is 10,9m for 2018 and 12m for 2019. A new deal could lower those numbers short term.
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Your post is a few days old, but you are actually unintentionally touching an interesting point here.

Gronk want's a new deal, but his cap hit on todays deal is 10,9m for 2018 and 12m for 2019. A new deal could lower those numbers short term.
I think Gronk is a fascinating case study right now. His cap hits are high the next two seasons. He is also still on his 6 year deal so he wants a new deal. But his back issues and overall health issues have to be a concern for BB in terms of a new contract with a lot of guaranteed money. He will also be 29 in May.

I am guessing Gronk is floating out this retirement storyline to try to force a new deal as he does not want anymore incentive based contracts. I don't blame him but his injury history/age has to have BB concerned.

Not sure which way this one will go but I would like to see us draft a TE as opposed to FA or another trade as we have been striking out there for some time.
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I think Gronk is a fascinating case study right now. His cap hits are high the next two seasons. He is also still on his 6 year deal so he wants a new deal. But his back issues and overall health issues have to be a concern for BB in terms of a new contract with a lot of guaranteed money. He will also be 29 in May.

I am guessing Gronk is floating out this retirement storyline to try to force a new deal as he does not want anymore incentive based contracts. I don't blame him but his injury history/age has to have BB concerned.

Not sure which way this one will go but I would like to see us draft a TE as opposed to FA or another trade as we have been striking out there for some time.
His cap hits aren’t high.

It’s incentive based. High only if he performs. And even then, value based on comps of other TEs.
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His cap hits aren’t high.

It’s incentive based. High only if he performs. And even then, value based on comps of other TEs.
These next two years are not incentative based years for him, http://www.spotrac.com/nfl/new-engla...onkowski-6551/

Only last year was incentive based because his contract for last year only paid him $4mil in base salary. Next year he gets paid 8 mil plus roster and workout bonuses (1 mil total) so $9 mil for the year. His cap hit will be $11 mil. In 2019 his base is 9 mil plus the bonuses (1 mil total) so $10 mil total and his cap hit will be $12 mil. Here is the breakdown, https://heavy.com/sports/2018/02/rob...ow-much-money/

As is typical of the Pats, they more or less backloaded the last two years of his deal. I would imagine he wants a new deal with more guaranteed money and wants his base to be $10 mil.

It is also worth mentioning that if the Pats were to part ways with him (unlikely) his dead cap hits are only $4 mil for this year, $2 mil for next year.

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These next two years are not incentative based years for him, http://www.spotrac.com/nfl/new-engla...onkowski-6551/

Only last year was incentive based because his contract for last year only paid him $4mil in base salary. Next year he gets paid 8 mil plus roster and workout bonuses (1 mil total) so $9 mil for the year. His cap hit will be $11 mil. In 2019 his base is 9 mil plus the bonuses (1 mil total) so $10 mil total and his cap hit will be $12 mil. Here is the breakdown, https://heavy.com/sports/2018/02/rob...ow-much-money/

As is typical of the Pats, they more or less backloaded the last two years of his deal. I would imagine he wants a new deal with more guaranteed money and wants his base to be $10 mil.

It is also worth mentioning that if the Pats were to part ways with him (unlikely) his dead cap hits are only $4 mil for this year, $2 mil for next year.
My bad.

Thought all 3 were incentive.
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All I know for sure is that if Gronk were to actually sign a proposed deal with the WWE then we are going to be one very unhappy group of Patriots fans.

Can you imagine?

It makes me think of the time Hulk Hogan was still huge in wrestling and he came by to visit the Pats. Somebody told him that with his size and ability he might make a pretty good DE and Hogan replied with: "Maybe, but I'd have to take a pay cut, brother."

Of course, that was Hogan, but maybe the idea of them throwing around huge money to get all the publicity that would come with signing Gronk isn't as far-fetched as it might seem.

From what I can come up with, Brock Lesnar was the highest paid WWE guy in 2017 with a salary of 12M.

I'd call it a longshot.
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Very nice gesture by the Patriots

Lawrence Guy didn't play enough snaps last season to earn incentive money. However, the Patriots reportedly are paying him anyway. Here's how: http://nesn.com/?p=820923


Also, in his last 15 games, Nate Solder allowed only one sack on 549 passing plays. That’s why re-signing him is the Pats’ top priority this offseason.
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