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Old 01-11-2018, 01:53 PM   #91
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Playstation Vue is great. I have the 2nd from the top package and I love it. Your market will determine which local stations you get. The DVR functionality is awesome, plus it has a ton of on demand stuff. Plus you can have 5 devices on your account all streaming content at the same time. Plus you can put it on your phone and stream when you're not even home.
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Playstation Vue is great. I have the 2nd from the top package and I love it. Your market will determine which local stations you get. The DVR functionality is awesome, plus it has a ton of on demand stuff. Plus you can have 5 devices on your account all streaming content at the same time. Plus you can put it on your phone and stream when you're not even home.
I like it!! The biggest selling point for us was the DVR.
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We are finally going to pull the plug. Our DirecTV bill is just ridiculous. We pay $21/month in just extra receiver fees. I'm sure when we call to cancel they will give us some great deal for like six months but I'm just not interested in having to play that game.

I'm pretty sold on getting Playstation Vue but my only concern is that they don't have the History Channel. My son and I watch Vikings together and I have kind of gotten into Knightwatch. The season is almost over so I plan on waiting a couple weeks before pulling the plug. What options do I have to get the History Channel? From what I can tell, the cheapest option is Sling TV for $20/month. It might just be cheaper to buy each episode off of Amazon Prime.

My next hurdle will be watching the Patriots next season. We might have to just bite the bullet and go back to DirecTV with one of their "new subscribers" deals. I know some of you are able to stream the games online. Is that something that you have to hook a laptop up to your TV or are there other options. Also, how reliable are the streams and are they hard to find?
I have not tried Vue yet, so there is not much input I can have there, but there are several like Vue to consider:

Sling TV
Hulu Live
Youtube Red
DirectTV Now
fuboTV

They are all worth comparing to see if
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b) they are available on your platform (Roku, Shield, Fire, etc...)


What is great about all of these is they offer free trials, and even after the trials, there is no commitment. You can sign up and cancel all willy-nilly as your needs change. Some offer free hardware for a minimum commitment.

ALSO, SOME channels have their own apps where you can watch their content for free (with commercials). Some require you to already have a cable or satellite subscription, but if you have a friend or relative that would be willing to provide you with login credentials, you can then activate these. History does have their own app, but I can not recall if it requires credentials.

Streaming out of market games is something else entirely. I have not done a lot of that, but it can be a frustrating experience. Yes, most people do these on a computer, and then you could run an HDMI cable to your TV.
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I have not tried Vue yet, so there is not much input I can have there, but there are several like Vue to consider:

Sling TV
Hulu Live
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What is great about all of these is they offer free trials, and even after the trials, there is no commitment. You can sign up and cancel all willy-nilly as your needs change. Some offer free hardware for a minimum commitment.

ALSO, SOME channels have their own apps where you can watch their content for free (with commercials). Some require you to already have a cable or satellite subscription, but if you have a friend or relative that would be willing to provide you with login credentials, you can then activate these. History does have their own app, but I can not recall if it requires credentials.

Streaming out of market games is something else entirely. I have not done a lot of that, but it can be a frustrating experience. Yes, most people do these on a computer, and then you could run an HDMI cable to your TV.
Great advice, thanks! I'm already worried about what I'm going to do next football season. I'm probably guaranteed to see about 6 games without Sunday Ticket but I have had it for so long that it would kill me not to be able to see all of the games.
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We cut the cable and it is only missed during football season. I saw a box being sold at a flea market, but I cannot recall what it was, but it offered every possible channel. I have suspicions that it is not quite legal, or that it is a long-term solution.
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Great advice, thanks! I'm already worried about what I'm going to do next football season. I'm probably guaranteed to see about 6 games without Sunday Ticket but I have had it for so long that it would kill me not to be able to see all of the games.

I got rid of Sunday Ticket a few years ago and have not missed a game since then either. Using my laptop connected to my TV via HDMI I'm always able to find an HD stream to watch regular season games. I also have an Amazon Fire TV running Kodi with the Cosmic Saints Add on... can always get games on that too. When the playoffs are they are always on the local channels so you're covered
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I got rid of Sunday Ticket a few years ago and have not missed a game since then either. Using my laptop connected to my TV via HDMI I'm always able to find an HD stream to watch regular season games. I also have an Amazon Fire TV running Kodi with the Cosmic Saints Add on... can always get games on that too. When the playoffs are they are always on the local channels so you're covered
You can watch live games with Kodi? I had it on my Fire stick but it seemed to cause all kinds of problems with everything crashing and not just Kodi programs so I uninstalled it.
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The results are a mixed bag though...too many variables to consider.
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I've been able to watch plenty of games on Kodi but using my laptop and going to this site and navigating through some hoops. This is the link, it has ALWAYS worked for me.

http://www.nflstreaming.net/
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For years now I've done NFL Gamepass with a VPN streaming through a laptop hooked up to my TV. It lets me:

1) Watch any and all games live, for the Pats and any other team in the league.
2) Watch replays of any and all games, in both broadcast format and in "games in 40'", which is such a godsend. All the waiting and commercials are cut out, it's just the raw action continuously and games finish in about 40 minutes as advertised. Great for watching a game you missed but hear was incredible, or watching past games of future opponents.
3) Watch replays of any and all games in their library, including every game from 2012 onwards.
4) Watch NFL Network, Redzone, NFL Films, a few other things. If I was so inclined.

The best part about it is $0 goes to ESPN or other broadcast partners, and I'm ONLY paying for NFL content, not absurd packages I care nothing about. It's not available in the USA though, which is why I use the VPN, as far as they're aware or care I'm in Germany. Still with my internet connection and the VPN I use it streams reliably in HD so it's a non-issue as far as I'm concerned, though I am always watching it like a minute in the past so sometimes fantasy football alerts or a very timely forum post alert me to something which has yet to happen from my perspective.

Probably the best part is all you need to do something like that is have a computer you can connect to something you find adequate for viewing, and which runs Windows. It's worked well enough for me.
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1) Watch any and all games live, for the Pats and any other team in the league.
2) Watch replays of any and all games, in both broadcast format and in "games in 40'", which is such a godsend. All the waiting and commercials are cut out, it's just the raw action continuously and games finish in about 40 minutes as advertised. Great for watching a game you missed but hear was incredible, or watching past games of future opponents.
3) Watch replays of any and all games in their library, including every game from 2012 onwards.
4) Watch NFL Network, Redzone, NFL Films, a few other things. If I was so inclined.

The best part about it is $0 goes to ESPN or other broadcast partners, and I'm ONLY paying for NFL content, not absurd packages I care nothing about. It's not available in the USA though, which is why I use the VPN, as far as they're aware or care I'm in Germany. Still with my internet connection and the VPN I use it streams reliably in HD so it's a non-issue as far as I'm concerned, though I am always watching it like a minute in the past so sometimes fantasy football alerts or a very timely forum post alert me to something which has yet to happen from my perspective.

Probably the best part is all you need to do something like that is have a computer you can connect to something you find adequate for viewing, and which runs Windows. It's worked well enough for me.
I thought I had heard of people doing something like this.

How much does it cost?
And it doesn't matter that your billing address is in the US?
And do you use a paid VPN service or a free one?
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So I answered a few of my questions. Looks like it is only 50 bucks a year?

And not only can you use your computer, but if you implement a VPN on your router (or on the device if able to) it looks like it is also supported on Xbox One, Apple TV, PS4, Roku, Fire TV and Android TV. This is assumption on my part, but the app that was presented to me from my US IP is supported on all these devices.
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And do you use a paid VPN service or a free one?

The cost, anything I quote you would be wrong, it's changed every year. Right now for example it's $50 but it's only for the rest of the season, meaning like nothing (though they still justify it being that high with the ability to watch all the prior games etc). I think I paid $150 for it this year. The big thing to know here is you must sign up while connected using a VPN. There are two versions of NFL Gamepass: The US / UK / Anywhere they have an agreement with DirecTV version, which does NOT offer live games, just replays and the rest of it. That version has a substantially lower cost. Alternately, the "everywhere they don't have an agreement with DirecTV" version, specifically Germany works for it. When you go to the sign up page the key to look for is the keyword "live games", as that's the difference of course, and the cost is higher. It should be noted that if you don't care about the live games (you already have a system for them or whatever) and just want the games in 40' and replays etc the US version is obviously fine and you can skip the VPN altogether.

The billing address being in the US has been a total non-issue so far. There are ways to do it if it does become an issue, but as long as you sign up when connected to non-US internet (using the VPN), on the site where it says "live games", they take US billing info no problem and still deliver the promised content. If you accidentally connect when not using VPN it'll even just say something like "you are connected from outside your (region), would you like to sign up for the US Gamepass?", and going back to the website when on VPN loads it normally, so you don't have to worry about "tipping them off" or anything crazy, it's all easy peasy, low stress stuff.

I use a paid VPN, because it's important to me that:
1) The VPN I use is reliable
2) The VPN I use is secure (including keeping no logs)
3) The VPN I use offers decent speeds.
Free VPNs rarely hit one of those, and never hit all 3. The one I use is Private Internet Access and it's cheap, something like $20 per year, while still delivering on those key points. It offers a variety of US connect locations and overseas ones including the all important German one for this purpose.
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Thanks much for the info. Great knowledge to have going forward as another alternative option.

Can you quantify how much slow down (if you have noticed any at all) you have had from the overhead of the VPN? This might be a factor if you are not super high speed to begin with.
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Thanks much for the info. Great knowledge to have going forward as another alternative option.

Can you quantify how much slow down (if you have noticed any at all) you have had from the overhead of the VPN? This might be a factor if you are not super high speed to begin with.
Yeah, using German servers I add a *lot* to my latency (the delay between when you tell something to happen and when it happens), so webpages load substantially slower. However the actual download speed (how fast you load content once it's coming your way) is only cut by 25% or so. Using ethernet I go from roughly 100mbps to 80mbps, and when on wireless on my network it goes from 25mbps to 20mbps. 15mbps is what you need to stream high definition content reliably, in my experience.

The biggest thing I would recommend, in the event you are on a slower internet connection but are considering using a VPN while streaming high definition content, is to ensure you'll have a wired connection available, rather than being wireless. There are "powerline kits" which plug into power outlets near your router, with a matching unit that plugs in where you want an ethernet plug. They aren't that expensive, they work well, and they don't require running wires through your walls, and they give you the ability to use an ethernet connection instead of being wireless. That can make all the difference in the world, and then even on DSL connections the setup I mentioned should be fine.

If you're running too slow of a connection it'll mainly affect the highest definition it can stream. It can make it anywhere from constant high definition content, to "looking a lot like tube tvs in the 90s there" content, to "wow is that super techmo bowl" content. But it'll still run. The very best part is Gamepass has a 7 day free trial, so if you're borderline for being able to make it work (http://www.speedtest.net/ shows you at 15mbps or under) you really just want to wait until you're ready to test streaming a live game. If it works well, great, if not, just cancel, no harm no foul.

As an aside, I can't wait until the NFL next renegotiates their broadcast rights because I see NO WAY they allow DirecTV's deal to prevent them from offering this in the USA once they do.
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