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Old 08-05-2019, 09:27 AM   #16
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To quote the philosopher Sagan, "Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence".

I recognize that large fauna can exist without being known to science.

The Saola is native to Vietnam and Laos, is a relative of antelopes and wasn't confirmed to exist until 1992.

So one cannot say it is impossible that a large unknown animal could be living in the forests of North America, but the probability for Bigfoot is very low.

The primary problem that if Bigfoot existed, it would be a species of unknown hominid.

There is only one hominid species know to inhabit the Americas, that would be us.

All other primates are monkeys, specifically "New World" monkeys, which is evolutionary distinct from "Old World" monkeys.

So the question becomes, how could this one species of hominid get here (outside of humans) and no others did?

Humans are thought to only have migrated here in the last 15 to 20,000 years, and there is plenty of fossil evidence of humans in Asia, Africa, and Europe prior to that.

If Bigfoot is an unknown Hominid species, where is all the fossil evidence for it in Africa, Asia, or Europe?

Have people seen things in the forest that they can't immediately explain?

I'm sure they have.

But that doesn't "prove" that they saw Bigfoot.

Humans are hardwired to find patterns and fit things in categories.

Think about it. People look at clouds and see shapes of animals, people, etc. People see Elvis, Jesus, Mary, etc. in their toast, the stain on a wall, the bark of a tree, etc.

We do this fore a very good reason.

The little primate very much in the before time that spotted the pattern of the lion in the grass lived to breed more little primates. The one that didn't, was lunch.

By the same token, putting things in categories helps stay alive as well. recognizing something is only half the step to escaping the lion, knowing what to do matters more.

So you have to categorize things, to know which patterns mean you found lunch, vs those that mean you are lunch.

IMHO, this hardwiring is responsible for the vast majority of conspiracy theories, beliefs in ancient aliens, UFO, paranormal, etc.

Yes, there may be an incident here or there that may warrant being investigated as a legitimate phenomena/event, but the vast majority are pattern matching and categorization run amok.

Take UFO's as an example.

OK, let's assume that there is a completely inexplicable sighting of something in the air.

Then by definition, it is an "unidentified flying object".

So how did that mean that it is a flying saucer filled with space aliens?

That is the sole possible explanation for something we don't know what it is?

That's because we are hardwired to put it in a category. "Unknown" just doesn't cut it.

BTW, IMHO, most of the "inexplicable" UFO signings could well be Ball Lightning.

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You and I have tangoed on this topic in the past but I wonder if you are aware of the recent developments involving Congress and some heavy hitters in the Navy and other levels of Government on a recent wave of encounters involving the USS Nimitz battlegroup?

This shit is a game-changer.

I don't know if anybody will watch this entire clip, but it's actually just a teaser for extremely well-evidenced military encounters. Don't argue with me, argue with some of the finest, most highly-trained professionals in avionics.

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Old 08-05-2019, 09:30 AM   #17
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Just because you can't immediately identify or explain something unusual, doesn't make it a spaceship from another planet. Why anyone would jump to that conclusion first is a horrendous violation of Occam's Razor and seems like wishcasting to me.
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I'll share a story with you. I go up to Maine to a friends cabin with a bunch of guys for a long weekend every February. It's remote. 4WD / Snowmobile access only in the winter.
We've been doing this since the 1980's. About 1996/7 trip I made a run to the nearest town to get gas for the generator and a few groceries.
I'm driving down this two lane road ( Sugarloaf area) and about 1/8 mile in front of me something real tall and black walks across the road. On two legs. In about 3 steps. I have no idea what it was and I ain't saying it was a bigfoot. I went back to the cabin and I didn't say a damned word to the boys. Or anyone else.
There's no houses or habitation where this happened. It was late afternoon. It was about 10 degrees out. It wasn't a bear. Let me tell those from "not New England" there aren't any bears walking around on two legs in the dead of a Maine winter. I stopped the truck where I saw it cross and saw nothing. Rolled down the windows and looked into the woods. Did not get out of vehicle.

Again no idea what it was, but it did pique my interest in the topic. I'm open minded but until someone proves without a doubt that such a beast exists people have a right to be skeptical.
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I'll share a story with you. I go up to Maine to a friends cabin with a bunch of guys for a long weekend every February. It's remote. 4WD / Snowmobile access only in the winter.
We've been doing this since the 1980's. About 1996/7 trip I made a run to the nearest town to get gas for the generator and a few groceries.
I'm driving down this two lane road ( Sugarloaf area) and about 1/8 mile in front of me something real tall and black walks across the road. On two legs. In about 3 steps. I have no idea what it was and I ain't saying it was a bigfoot. I went back to the cabin and I didn't say a damned word to the boys. Or anyone else.
There's no houses or habitation where this happened. It was late afternoon. It was about 10 degrees out. It wasn't a bear. Let me tell those from "not New England" there aren't any bears walking around on two legs in the dead of a Maine winter. I stopped the truck where I saw it cross and saw nothing. Rolled down the windows and looked into the woods. Did not get out of vehicle.

Again no idea what it was, but it did pique my interest in the topic. I'm open minded but until someone proves without a doubt that such a beast exists people have a right to be skeptical.
Laugh if you want but true story.
It sounds like you saw a tall black person crossing the road... Maybe a pro basketball player enjoying the solitary nature of the Maine wilderness?
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So, people that know me know that I'm a paranormal "enthusiast". The topic just interests me. But I never had a personal experience that I could say was paranormal.

That is, up until the end of June. I was visiting New Orleans and the last day of the trip the four of us went to a plantation outside of Baton Rouge called Houmas House.

It's a recent restoration project and the home is unbelievably beautiful. So, we're taking a tour and our tour guide was wearing a long period-costume dress. I'm half-listening to her and just taking in all the amazing antiques, etc., and I notice another tour group in a different room. There was a glass wall with french doors between us and there happened to be a young girl goofing around at the glass wall and she's wearing a long, blue old-style dress. The heat index was 106 that day, BTW.

I didn't pay that much attention and later in the day we were talking about how cool the place was and all the tours they offer. We were talking about the way the guides were dressed and I said something like "not just the guides, did you see that little girl wearing the long, blue dress? Why would a kid dress like that on such a hot day?" Nobody had seen her and they were giving me shit, but I didn't think much of it. Later, I googled the place (which I knew nothing about prior) and ran across the opinion that it is the most haunted place in the state of Louisiana.

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The legend of La Petite Fille began in the summer of 2003, shortly after the new owner, Kevin Kelly, purchased the plantation and began a complete makeover of the house.

“It was an extreme makeover,” says the plantation’s website. “And to say the least, it was disruptive. Literally no stone on the property was left unturned, and in the process, some say, a spirit was awakened.”

One of the workers from the electrician crew was the first to report seeing the girl, saying he witnessed her descend from the main stairway and then again saw her in the central hall. Her presence brought upon many concerns, as the house was under major construction and posed safety threats, especially to children.

Other crew members also reported seeing a young girl in a blue dress with brown hair and dark eyes, though before they could ask what she was doing there she disappeared.

Since the completion of the renovation, many guests have often said they have seen the girl in the blue dress, though usually in the morning or late afternoon.
I was there at 11 in the morning. There are untold reports of this kid all over the web and the description in each is almost identical. The kid I saw checked every box.

She didn't look like an apparition or hazy in any way. It just looking like a kid goofing around having fun to me. The part that made no sense was the dress. It was way too authentic-looking. It definitely wasn't a halloween costume.

I'm not saying I saw a Ghost, but almost all the stuff I read was eerily similar to the kid I saw. It made me wish I paid a lot closer attention.

After that we went straight to a drive-thru daquiri bar and I drank a 32oz "swampwater". That whole deal freaked me out a little.
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What I always want to ask people is that if ghosts are supposedly the spirits or remnants of the deceased, why are they always wearing clothes? Where'd they get 'em? Clothes are inanimate objects made of fabric. Why would clothes "continue" into the "afterlife", whatever that means? Shouldn't ghosts be "naked" or "disembodied", or whatever?
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Clearly he’s real cuz we have videos of the guy with the Bigfoot pecker.
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I've always believed that the bigfoot film footage was shot on the same sound stage as the lunar landings.

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I'm glad you guys are finally sharing some real life experiences. I have a niece ,she's 43 now that is one of those people that can communicate with spirits and stuff and see's the dead. (So she claims). But anyway the only experience I can share is one that happened in November ,2009.

I'm in the panhandle of Texas and leaving a farm. The land to the left of me is nothing but a Huge ranch covering like 30 miles by 20 miles. It's getting dark just enough it's about time to turn on the headlights but not quite. I look to the left up in the sky and there's a huge light. It looks like a headlight but much bigger and brighter. It looked really odd to be a helicopter light and it was just sitting still.

I thought oh well just something different and I looked across to my right for an instance to look through the fields as I always like to look for wild shit moving around at dusk. I looked back over to the light and it was gone. I looked ahead and it was about a mile ahead of me just sitting there.
As I came down the highway ,when I got even to it ,it took off straight at about a 45 degree angle like it was headed to outer space. I watched in fucking amazement as the light grew smaller and disappeared. It was gone in all of 5-10 seconds.

Nothing I know of or have ever seen has the ability to move like that from standing still to warp 20. Our military doesn't have anything that could do what I saw.
I don't know what it was but I know what i saw.
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Bigfoot does not exist. UFOs may exist but if they do we have never seen any trace of them. Any civilization advanced enough to get here through space is advanced enough not to be detected. But Bigfoot definitely does not exist.
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Dr Don Lincoln who is the senior scientist at Fermi National Accelerator Laboratory about his recent book: Alien Universe: Extraterrestrial Life in Our Minds and in the Cosmos

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I pretty much concur with this guy's general point.


The universe is very big, so...


1. I'd bet life was relatively common
2. intelligent life very rare
3. Advanced, spacefaring intelligent civilizations rarer still
4. Chances of one being nearby and having "visited" us highly - even astronomically - unlikely.


Let's say for example that there are a large number - hundreds of thousands - of technical civilizations in our galaxy alone. A hugely optimistic estimate. If they're distributed more or less evenly, the closest one to us might be a couple of hundred light years away. Optimistically. But even if there were one that close, there are hundreds of thousands of stars in just a 200-light year radius around our Sun. Our radio signals haven't had time to go out very far (we've only had radio for a century, and the signal degrades proportionately the further it goes out into space), so to a hypothetical advanced alien culture sitting that close, all of those hundred thousand stars might be equally worthy of exploration. From their perspective, they'd notice nothing particularly special about our system. Why would they come here, especially? It's the ultimate needle in a haystack, and asking a blind guy to find it, even if he knows what he's looking for.


Bottom line? I don't think for a minute that "UFOs" are alien spacecraft.
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