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Old 08-11-2017, 11:34 AM   #211
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Old 08-11-2017, 11:34 AM   #212
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Yeah, I don't care for Speigt at all. He's young, so there's a chance that he develops , but I was very unimpressed with him last year. If he were on any other college team I don't think you'd ever hear of him.
Speight isn't that young. He'll be a RS Junior this year, so it's his fourth year at Michigan.
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Old 08-11-2017, 11:35 AM   #213
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Jacoby will not win a single game more than "-name the vet scrub we could sign-" if the worst happens.
If I knew what vets you are talking about, I could reply. JB is 1-1 in NFL games. Who are these available vets again who have better records?

Again, not saying JB is a superstar who can carry a team. I don't want to rely on him to win a game, but I can rely on him not to lose a game better than the rejects available out there now.
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Old 08-11-2017, 11:50 AM   #214
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Neither are most backups in the NFL, and yet teams still carry a backup QB.
This is disingenuous, because you need at least one backup to finish if your QB is injured in the middle of a game. No team has only one QB on the roster.

We're talking about having to go to your third QB. if you have to do that for an extended period, the season is toast. I honestly don't care if JB is appreciably better than anonymous scrub, because we're in trouble anyway if either has extended playing time. If the choice is between him, and protecting a player who you think will seriously contribute for the next several years, I'm choosing the latter.
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Old 08-11-2017, 11:52 AM   #215
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When you and others say just sign a guy off the street to be a backup should the starter down, you are saying there will be a vet available who knows the offense. . . Signing a rookie mid-season when your QB goes down means the season is a loss. The guy will need time to learn the system and learn how to be an NFL QB. . .Probably I'm the outlier, but I would rather go with (only) [coaches' choice] and keep a third QB.
I am in complete agreement with your comments, particularly about having familiarity with the Patriots' system. Despite his clear shortcomings, Brissett knows the playbook and that makes him far more valuable than anybody - even a vet (anybody think of anyone available they would want?) - they could sign in event of an emergency.

I'm sticking with keeping the 3 QBs we've got and make the unhappy decision to part with somebody else they would prefer to keep.
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This is disingenuous, because you need at least one backup to finish if your QB is injured in the middle of a game. No team has only one QB on the roster.

We're talking about having to go to your third QB. if you have to do that for an extended period, the season is toast. I honestly don't care if JB is appreciably better than anonymous scrub, because we're in trouble anyway if either has extended playing time. If the choice is between him, and protecting a player who you think will seriously contribute for the next several years, I'm choosing the latter.
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Old 08-11-2017, 12:02 PM   #217
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The reality is if JB has to play, the offense will look much different than if TB and JG were playing. He's a different QB. JMD would tailor the offense to fit him. He'd probably win half his games or so.
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Old 08-11-2017, 12:05 PM   #218
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The reality is if JB has to play, the offense will look much different than if TB and JG were playing. He's a different QB. JMD would tailor the offense to fit him. He'd probably win half his games or so.
You mean there is just not this magic system that the Pats throw QB's into and they win superbowls?
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Old 08-11-2017, 12:12 PM   #219
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The reality is if JB has to play, the offense will look much different than if TB and JG were playing. He's a different QB. JMD would tailor the offense to fit him. He'd probably win half his games or so.
Not if he keeps air-mailing his passes on a regular basis.
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Old 08-11-2017, 12:16 PM   #220
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I always laugh when we fans start figuring out who's going to make the team. That always works out so well.

But my money's on keeping 3 QBs simply based on Brady's age. We have an obvious guy ready to go in Garrop, but they need somebody behind him. Under ordinary circumstances, 2 QBs is sufficient on the roster, but we're in uncharted territory here.

Whether they ultimately decide they can afford one fewer WR or DB or RB, they'll keep 3 QBs this year.

Agree 100%

The Pats are walking a tight rope with the QB's keeping JG happy to the extent they can while waiting for the inevitable with Brady.

If anyone can successfully walk that rope it is BB.
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Old 08-11-2017, 12:42 PM   #221
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I am in complete agreement with your comments, particularly about having familiarity with the Patriots' system. Despite his clear shortcomings, Brissett knows the playbook and that makes him far more valuable than anybody - even a vet (anybody think of anyone available they would want?) - they could sign in event of an emergency.

I'm sticking with keeping the 3 QBs we've got and make the unhappy decision to part with somebody else they would prefer to keep.
Yes, I'd keep him as well, (more for next year). I also think the Jets would pick him up if he was cut, before he made it to our PS.
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Old 08-11-2017, 12:52 PM   #222
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Neither are most backups in the NFL, and yet teams still carry a backup QB.

On most teams, the backup is the guy who goes in when the QB goes down, and the third QB is a guy you are grooming for a future backup for when your primary backup completes his rookie deal and becomes too expensive.

When you and others say just sign a guy off the street to be a backup should the starter down, you are saying there will be a vet available who knows the offense. When the Pats went those years with 2 QBs, there were veterans they brought into camp IIRC. Guys like Flutie and Jim Miller, who worked with the team already and were available during the season.

Signing a rookie mid-season when your QB goes down means the season is a loss. The guy will need time to learn the system and learn how to be an NFL QB. I don't like that JB still throws high and hard, but he knows the system and played well enough in 2 1/2 actual NFL games to go 1-1. Better than any UDFA out there.

Thinking JB will make the practice squad means you are looking at who other teams' backups and third stringers are. The choice should be cut him or keep him, not place him on the practice squad (not speaking to you, here, just in general).

Probably I'm the outlier, but I would rather go with (only) Develin, White, Gilislee and BUrkhead as RBs and keep a third QB. There is a greater chance IMO that Brady will go down and require us to get a third QB, than for 4 of Develin/White/Lewis/Burkhead/Gillislee/Foster to go down and require us to sign a 3rd RB.
Couldn't disagree with this more.

Lewis is the lead guy right now until otherwise shown. Only reason it was all him IMO was health of others.

Plus he's our lead KR right now and should expand that role to PR too.

JB is not good.

We can sign not good if need be.
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Old 08-11-2017, 12:54 PM   #223
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If I knew what vets you are talking about, I could reply. JB is 1-1 in NFL games. Who are these available vets again who have better records?

Again, not saying JB is a superstar who can carry a team. I don't want to rely on him to win a game, but I can rely on him not to lose a game better than the rejects available out there now.
That's just speculation.

He won a game where our D was possibly the most dominant all year.

Then got shut out when there was a tiny sample size of film.
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We're talking about having to go to your third QB. if you have to do that for an extended period, the season is toast.
You don't know that. You can't possibly know that. There have been tons of unheralded QBs who surprised people when they had a chance. If might not happen, but to say it is impossible for a third stringer to perform well isn't true.

Saying we will probably lose anyway if X happens so why even bother to try our best to prepare is folly. If there are viable options out there, then fine, cut him. But have someone in mind. Signing whoever is available in Nov or Dec and count on him coming in cold and expect him to win down the stretch is ... well ... a stretch.
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You don't know that. You can't possibly know that. There have been tons of unheralded QBs who surprised people when they had a chance. If might not happen, but to say it is impossible for a third stringer to perform well isn't true.

Saying we will probably lose anyway if X happens so why even bother to try our best to prepare is folly. If there are viable options out there, then fine, cut him. But have someone in mind. Signing whoever is available in Nov or Dec and count on him coming in cold and expect him to win down the stretch is ... well ... a stretch.
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