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Old 01-10-2018, 08:59 AM   #31
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Oprah ahead of Trump by 10 points in Rasmussen poll.

Is Jerry Springer still around? He'd be perfect to host the debate.
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Oprah and Trump are opposite sides of the same coin.

I can only hope she decides against this, because if she goes all in it's inevitable.

The exact same forces (from the left instead of the right) will whirl her right into office.
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Oprah and Trump are opposite sides of the same coin.

I can only hope she decides against this, because if she goes all in it's inevitable.

The exact same forces (from the left instead of the right) will whirl her right into office.
My personal take on the Oprah thing, I think Oprah is a very intelligent, reasonable, and successful woman. I respect her a great deal, though I am definitely not a fan, I just respect her for what she built and accomplished.

I am sure she is a left winger...but as a libertarian, that does not rule her out by definition....I'd actually be interested in hearing her ideas, if she actually has any, meaning actual policies and plans, not just platitudes and propaganda.

Oprah would have a far, far greater chance of getting my vote than, say, Michelle Obama or Liz Warren, who I think are your democrat front runners right now, right? I can't stand either of those two. Your only hope of my vote would be Oprah amongst those three.

Having said that, it would take almost an act of God to make me vote Trump out, because I've never had so much fun with politics in my entire life, and never will again. I want my money's worth on this ride.

If Oprah promised to end the interventionist foreign policy, and to end foreign aid, that might do it. Short of that...can't really think of anything.

Unfortunately, being anti-1st amendment, anti-2nd amendment and anti-4th amendment is a deal breaker for me, and that rules out 99% of democrats, and Oprah, too, I presume.
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Are you implying that republicans (and or Trump) are pro 1st and 4th? because you'd be dead wrong.

I'll give you the 2nd.
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Are you implying that republicans (and or Trump) are pro 1st and 4th? because you'd be dead wrong.

I'll give you the 2nd.
Most Republicans are ruled out for me for the same reason....but at least preserving the 2nd maintains the option of restoring the Bill of Rights by force, if necessary. None of the other 9 Constitutional Rights are as important for that reason.
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Even in 1900 it was more about party bosses trying to get rid of him, as the Vice President was seen as a dead end at the time.

Then McKinley died.

I get it though he was a larger than life personality. Most presidents are. But that's not comparable to Trump or Oprah who have no experience in politics which is strangely part of the appeal.

By the way, I'd happily vote for TR in 2020.
I'd have voted for TR in any election. He was an advocate for good government and worked to clean out corporate influence/corruption in all the jobs he had. My only problem is that he was too militaristic/expansionist (he was angry that Wilson didn't get in to WWI sooner).

I'm not sure if the Republicans' main motivation was to send him down a dead end as VP. I guess that got him out of the NY Republicans' hair (and they were the biggest delegation), but McKinley probably wouldn't have run for a 3rd term and as VP, TR would have been a logical successor. I'd think he was just added to the ticket in 1900 to give it more popularity. The Spanish American War ended in August, 1898 and my point with the celebrity was how quickly he advanced to Governor/VP afterward.

There are examples for the Trump/Oprah phenomenon at the Governor level - Arnold, Jesse Ventura, Reagan somewhat when he first became governor. It's not that surprising that it would move up to President at some point. Maybe the people might have elected Mark Twain or somebody President back in the day, but what would have stopped it was that there were no primaries and the nominees were totally chosen by the party machines.
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Mark Twain would never campaign for a government job....lol.

I have mixed feelings about TR, but he is one of my favorites by virtue of being so interesting, and establishing national parks, and emphasizing preservation of undeveloped land for sport, recreation, and hunting.
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Mark Twain would never campaign for a government job....lol.

I have mixed feelings about TR, but he is one of my favorites by virtue of being so interesting, and establishing national parks, and emphasizing preservation of undeveloped land for sport, recreation, and hunting.
Yeah, I should have chosen someone other than Mark Twain. John L. Sullivan?
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Not the same thing. He was a military figure. There’s a boatload of candidates who parlayed military notoriety to running for office
He served several terms in the NY legislature as well as being governor, he was I believe secretary of the Navy as well. And he wasn't even elected president, he was vice president and got sworn in when Garfield was assassinated.

So, no, San Juan Hill had nothing to do with him being president.
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I have mixed feelings about TR, but he is one of my favorites by virtue of being so interesting, and establishing national parks, and emphasizing preservation of undeveloped land for sport, recreation, and hunting.
Wait...

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I'd have voted for TR in any election. He was an advocate for good government and worked to clean out corporate influence/corruption in all the jobs he had. My only problem is that he was too militaristic/expansionist (he was angry that Wilson didn't get in to WWI sooner).

I'm not sure if the Republicans' main motivation was to send him down a dead end as VP. I guess that got him out of the NY Republicans' hair (and they were the biggest delegation), but McKinley probably wouldn't have run for a 3rd term and as VP, TR would have been a logical successor. I'd think he was just added to the ticket in 1900 to give it more popularity. The Spanish American War ended in August, 1898 and my point with the celebrity was how quickly he advanced to Governor/VP afterward.

There are examples for the Trump/Oprah phenomenon at the Governor level - Arnold, Jesse Ventura, Reagan somewhat when he first became governor. It's not that surprising that it would move up to President at some point. Maybe the people might have elected Mark Twain or somebody President back in the day, but what would have stopped it was that there were no primaries and the nominees were totally chosen by the party machines.
TR is one of my favorite political figures. He's also incredibly complicated. You read some of his qoutes and might think "well that's kinda racist" until you juxtapose them with qoutes from contemporaries and realize he's comparatively woke af.

The war mongering is a concern, but that also took place largely before the world wars, where war was...still hell but a more gentlemanly version of hell. I wonder if he'd have the same stance had he loved through both world wars and saw the devastating meat grinder modern warfare is capable of becoming.
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