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Old 12-30-2017, 02:31 PM   #16
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By the way, anyone who thinks I was wrong about anything I posted in the Syria thread, should probably read exactly what I posted, rather than what OPT and others might claim I posted.

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By the way, anyone who thinks I was wrong about anything I posted in the Syria thread, should probably read exactly what I posted, rather than what OPT and others might claim I posted.

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"how American troops would conduct a variety of operations against Syria"

"how the US military could aid in ousting the leader with America’s own troops. "

Same thing.

In fact, I don't even understand how you can interpret them differently....unless you think that US troops may go into Syria in support of Assad....which I presume is not what you are saying.
Which was in response to this post.

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Uh, that CNN report is the exact same one I quoted in full in post 11.

Let's compare the RT and CNN language, shall we?
CNN: The U.S. military has completed its own planning for how American troops would conduct a variety of operations against Syria, or to assist neighboring countries in the event action was ordered, officials tell CNN.
RT: officials with the Defense Department tell CNN that the Pentagon has finished drafting blueprints that lay-out just how the US military could aid in ousting the leader with America’s own troops.

So CNN explicitly states that they have developed plans for a "variety of operations" both in Syria and to assist neighboring nations.

RT states that they are only planning on ousting Assad.

Yeah, that's not twisting the story to provide a one sided impression of what's going on. You know the very thing you rant about the MSM doing?

Bottom line, the Pentagon is developing contingency plans related to the Syrian situation.

So?

Are you saying they shouldn't be developing and/updating such plans?

That they shouldn't have something ready just in case the excrement hits the rotating metal blades?

You don't think they shouldn't look at the situation in case the President asks them "what are my options?"

Are you suggesting that the mere fact that plans "for a variety of operations" are being developed means that we are going to war in Syria?

Yes or no.
The fact that Assad has not been "ousted" should end this silly debate.
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Wouldn't it more or less be malpractice is the US military WASN'T planning and positioning assets for a potential strike against NK?
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Wouldn't it more or less be malpractice is the US military WASN'T planning and positioning assets for a potential strike against NK?
You clearly don't agree with the Baron that the US are "Imperialist running dogs".

IMHO, his body of work has made a few things clear about his opinion/perception.
  • Any and all actions by the US, and/or US allies, are simply "Imperialistic endeavors".
  • Any and all oppositions to said US actions, and/or US allies, are justified responses to said "Imperialistic endeavors".
  • The US is the font of "all evil" in the world, and any action that opposes the US "Hegemony" is "good".

One simply has to look at his selection of sources to demonstrate this opinion.

He selects what ever source that either projects the "US Government" in the worst possible manner, or, predicts some sort of catastrophic outcome for the US.

Stop and think for a moment about his EMP thread.

He's accepting as 100% accurate claims, according to him, by elements of the US government that a NK EMP attack could kill 90% of the US population.

Can you think of any other post by him where he accepted any claim by a US government organization?

I can't.

So why does he accept that claim?

Well, it forebodes "doom" for the US, and for some reason I cannot begin to fathom, he seems to deeply desire that.
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You clearly don't agree with the Baron that the US are "Imperialist running dogs".

IMHO, his body of work has made a few things clear about his opinion/perception.
  • Any and all actions by the US, and/or US allies, are simply "Imperialistic endeavors".
  • Any and all oppositions to said US actions, and/or US allies, are justified responses to said "Imperialistic endeavors".
  • The US is the font of "all evil" in the world, and any action that opposes the US "Hegemony" is "good".

One simply has to look at his selection of sources to demonstrate this opinion.

He selects what ever source that either projects the "US Government" in the worst possible manner, or, predicts some sort of catastrophic outcome for the US.

Stop and think for a moment about his EMP thread.

He's accepting as 100% accurate claims, according to him, by elements of the US government that a NK EMP attack could kill 90% of the US population.

Can you think of any other post by him where he accepted any claim by a US government organization?

I can't.

So why does he accept that claim?

Well, it forebodes "doom" for the US, and for some reason I cannot begin to fathom, he seems to deeply desire that.
OR...., a reasonable person could summarize my posts as "non-interventionism" is a superior, moral, and viable foreign policy, and holds true to the intent of the Founding Fathers.

A reasonable person could conclude that all military actions that are not in self defense are immoral, and costly, and are actually a detriment to the United States and it's citizenry because, aside from the unnecessary and wasteful destruction of young American bodies and minds (which we cheer and celebrate on command), the economic costs in wealth and resources have a direct, negative affect on American safety, security, wealth, and standard of living, that the productivity of Americans that otherwise would be invested domestically is instead diverted and squandered to support endless foreign wars, and thus Americans endure a far, far lower standard of lving and less wealth than they otherwise would if the fruits of their productivity were kept at home building real, lasting things instead of building disposable bombs and disposable uiniforms for disposable Americans.

A reasonable person may conclude that "American Interests" should probably fund their own wars, and send their own employees, into their own jungles and deserts, to defend their own corporate interests, instead of exploiting taxpayers and common citizens, that this is not the purpose of good government.

But then, 70 years of corporate politicians and corporate media create orthodox, obedient robots, unable to think for themselves, that are unable to even conceive of an alternative, unable to even consider questioning current dogma and policy, who respond Pavlovianly to such suggestions.

Free thinkers, though, cannot really blame others for their programming any more than they can blame their computer for it's programming.

...so there.
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So stopping the Nazis concentration camps would be an immoral reason for military action?
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Ugh, god I hate the term "free thinker". Almost as much as "thinking outside the box."

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So stopping the Nazis concentration camps would be an immoral reason for military action?
Non-interventionsim is rooted in Just War Theory.

A nation can respond in self defense if attacked, provided that the attack was not provoked.

It would not allow, however, taking our nation and citizens to war on behalf of some ally, or treaty, or international organization. The citizens themselves must be under threat. This, after all...is the purpose of government...to protect it;s citizens, their property, and their rights. Any time you stray beyond that, you go far beyond what is moral...and sending citizens who are otherwise safe and secure off to fight and die in other nations is counter to the purpose of good govenrment, and thus immoral and unjust.

That's about as much of a summary as I can make without getting all into Just War Theory, which is not the most rigorously well defined subject in the first place, but pretty consistent in the most broad strokes.
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Ugh, god I hate the term "free thinker". Almost as much as "thinking outside the box."

So much cringe.
Everyone likes to believe they are a free thinker, just like everyone likes to think their kids are cute and special.

It's about the same ratio of truth to delusion, too.
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Alright well enjoy the concentration camps I guess.
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Germany declared war on the United States first.
Had they not, opposing them would have been "immoral" according to your theory.
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So stopping the Nazis concentration camps would be an immoral reason for military action?


Better example.

Stopping Stalin taking over all of Europe after WWII, via NATO, the Marshall Plan, etc. is "immoral".

The fact that this would vastly increase the resources and capability of Stalin to threaten the US apparently does not constitute a "threat" to the Baron.

It would appear that the only "threat" that warrants any response is a direct military attack on the USA.

I for one recognize that "self defense" includes preventing things from getting to that point
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