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Old 12-24-2017, 07:49 PM   #31
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In the offseason?...

BB was hedging his bet, and he basically painted himself in a corner for doing that. He wasn't sure that Brady could keep playing at an elite level for his age. This is the reason why BB kept JimmyG as long as he did.

At the 11th hour, he did what he did.
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But he couldíve Franchised and traded - like Cassel - and now have gotten a higher 2 because JG just keeps winning.
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The hand wringing over only getting a second round pick for the back up QB is peak Pats fan.
JG is not a backup qb. hoyer is a backup qb.
I wouldn't have traded him at all, i would have let him walk for a compensatory. bb's second rounders are usually talented injured guys. it would have been worth it to know i had a real qb in case something happened with tb.
If only JG's parents would have waited 3 more years to have him.
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But he couldíve Franchised and traded - like Cassel - and now have gotten a higher 2 because JG just keeps winning.
Maybe, as long as we admit that we have NO idea what such a trade would have brought. We can fantasize about the return, but the player traded in such a scenario isnít the one on a current four game win streak. Instead, itís the 26 year old backup who spent the entire season on the Pats roster without seeing a single snap.
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Old 12-24-2017, 08:17 PM   #34
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Old 12-24-2017, 08:19 PM   #35
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At what point do you folk still on the fence acknowledge you were wrong?
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Iím not sure who ďyou folkĒ are, but Iím not on the fence at all.
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Maybe, as long as we admit that we have NO idea what such a trade would have brought. We can fantasize about the return, but the player traded in such a scenario isn’t the one on a current four game win streak. Instead, it’s the 26 year old backup who spent the entire season on the Pats roster without seeing a single snap.
teams trade entire drafts for unproven college qb's who have potential -

JG had potential proven in real live NFL games and he is now living up to that potential. Pats knew what they were sitting on and still let him go for a 2.

this move is so un BB and his system of "value" that i almost half wonder if the crazy rumors are true that this was done because Brady caused it to happen through Kraft. thus preventing the always present - BB trade them a year early while they still have value move.

hell the pats this season have traded away a starter quality qb and a solid backup for nothing - this is so unlike BB that i can not even begin to understand the logic let alone try to justify it like you seem to be.
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bullshit JG represented potential - and at the qb position potential is worth more than a bump up from 3->2

its not like the pats didn't know what they had in JG yet still took a last second offer without even trying to set a real bidding war.
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That you call an early 2nd round pick ďnothingĒ is logic that I cannot understand.

But, ... you would have done WHAT with JG? Options are....
1. Franchise a backup? Fine, but how would that cap hit have affected the rest of the team, all for a player who doesnít play?

2. Traded him for.....what, exactly? Please spare me the fanboy offers for him that did not exist. What, exactly? And if such a trade didnít go through, then....

3. Kept him through the season and let him walk for a 90.

I think that covers it. What exactly were the other options that BB should have followed that do not rely on ridiculous hypotheticals?
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That you call an early 2nd round pick “nothing” is logic that I cannot understand.

But, ... you would have done WHAT with JG? Options are....
1. Franchise a backup? Fine, but how would that cap hit have affected the rest of the team, all for a player who doesn’t play?

2. Traded him for.....what, exactly? Please spare me the fanboy offers for him that did not exist. What, exactly? And if such a trade didn’t go through, then....

3. Kept him through the season and let him walk for a 90.

I think that covers it. What exactly were the other options that BB should have followed that do not rely on ridiculous hypotheticals?
i would have preferred keeping him and making the franchise/fa decision at the end of the year.

barring that he should have been traded last offseason after a real bidding war had been started, you talk about fanboy like there was a real market for jg last year and the picks were just not there to be had. Bullshit BB quashed every trade call per several gm's who tried.

also trying to down play the 3 by calling it 90 and highlighting the 2 dosen't fool anybody it was a 2 in replacement of a 3. be truethfull
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Good points here.

That you preferred to keep him until the off-season is completely rational, thought I would not go the franchise route.

Trade last off-season? Also fair, but I get why they kept him for insurance. I also donít know what real offers were out there for him, not just internet rumors. Sitting at a computer screen, it isnít easy to separate the truth from the noise.

However, Iím not playing down the draft pick change. I donít know where the picks would have been, but if itís an early 2nd over a late 3rd, I think thatís a sizable value shift.
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How long does Brady play for? Realistically? What happens if he does start to break down? He isn't exactly a spring chicken. Maybe he can upgrade himself already (transhumanism)?

Again...this is a tricky situation...but, this is all a roll of the dice.

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Iím not sure who ďyou folkĒ are, but Iím not on the fence at all.
You folk are the collective that keep throwing out heís not a HoFer yet. Is that the bar?

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teams trade entire drafts for unproven college qb's who have potential -

JG had potential proven in real live NFL games and he is now living up to that potential. Pats knew what they were sitting on and still let him go for a 2.

this move is so un BB and his system of "value" that i almost half wonder if the crazy rumors are true that this was done because Brady caused it to happen through Kraft. thus preventing the always present - BB trade them a year early while they still have value move.

hell the pats this season have traded away a starter quality qb and a solid backup for nothing - this is so unlike BB that i can not even begin to understand the logic let alone try to justify it like you seem to be.
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Good points here.

That you preferred to keep him until the off-season is completely rational, thought I would not go the franchise route.

Trade last off-season? Also fair, but I get why they kept him for insurance. I also donít know what real offers were out there for him, not just internet rumors. Sitting at a computer screen, it isnít easy to separate the truth from the noise.

However, Iím not playing down the draft pick change. I donít know where the picks would have been, but if itís an early 2nd over a late 3rd, I think thatís a sizable value shift.
Thereís dozens of examples of what teams give up for QBs with promise. All are more than a 2.
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JG is not a backup qb. hoyer is a backup qb.
I wouldn't have traded him at all, i would have let him walk for a compensatory.
Maybe BB didn't want to see him in a Dolphins or Bills uni.
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