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Old 11-16-2017, 06:15 PM   #1
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What would it take...

...too convince you heathens there is a God?
Keep in mind what has been written about Him...



I hope this goes somewhere...

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Old 11-16-2017, 07:03 PM   #2
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...too convince you heathens there is a God?
Keep in mind what has been written about Him...



I hope this goes somewhere...


How about the fact that there’s zero proof ? Hence the word “faith”.
Millions of religions over the past 10,000years, and few agree on much at all.
Hell, Christians don’t agree at all. The Bible itself is the most manipulated document in history: the amount of editing and picking and choosing for what’s in it has been mind blowing.
How much do you know about Constantine’s impact on Christianity? And no, I’m not referring to his legalization of it.


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How about solving world hunger, everywhere, all at once? Immediately.

It would end an enormous amount of suffering.

The real question though is this - why hasn't God already done it? What good does it do to have children starve? Why did he allow it to happen in the first place?

Is that part of his plan? If so, his plan sucks.
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How about the fact that there’s zero proof ? Hence the word “faith”.
Millions of religions over the past 10,000years, and few agree on much at all.
Hell, Christians don’t agree at all. The Bible itself is the most manipulated document in history: the amount of editing and picking and choosing for what’s in it has been mind blowing.
How much do you know about Constantine’s impact on Christianity? And no, I’m not referring to his legalization of it.


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Off the top of my head...I hear he was great. First christian emporer I know he had a mama named Helen. I know he and mama found the Cross Christ was crucified on. I know I named my son after after him. Here is a hymn my faith remembers him by. Let me know what your beef is. And what it has to do with my question. thanks.

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How about solving world hunger, everywhere, all at once? Immediately.

It would end an enormous amount of suffering.

The real question though is this - why hasn't God already done it? What good does it do to have children starve? Why did he allow it to happen in the first place?

Is that part of his plan? If so, his plan sucks.

How about all of actually asking Him to? It take a village, so to speak.
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How about all of actually asking Him to? It take a village, so to speak.
Given the alleged powers, it doesn't or shouldn't take a village at all, should it?
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Off the top of my head...I hear he was great. First christian emporer I know he had a mama named Helen. I know he and mama found the Cross Christ was crucified on. I know I named my son after after him. Here is a hymn my faith remembers him by. Let me know what your beef is. And what it has to do with my question. thanks.



Her name was Helena. Constantine was not with her during her pilgrimage to Jerusalem, where she somehow found the True Cross. Yep, somehow a random piece of wood that would have been used numerous times by the Romans survived 300 years. Makes complete sense.


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Her name was Helena. Constantine was not with her during her pilgrimage to Jerusalem, where she somehow found the True Cross. Yep, somehow a random piece of wood that would have been used numerous times by the Romans survived 300 years. Makes complete sense.


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Eleni if you want to use modern greek.
And I know he wasn't with her, and she helped convert him I think.
Whatever.

You know, I have read about many amazing archeological discoveries that you reported here since I've been here. Way more than 300 years old. You had no issue with those. What up?

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Why are some things ok to immediately dismiss due to lack of proof (Like unicorns or Big Foot or Leprechauns) but we are just supposed to accept God with no proof?

Once I see some hard, incontrovertible evidence than I would believe in God again. (I used to be a believer, than an agnostic, but now I’m done believing in nonexistent, man-made nonsense.) I feel pretty confident in saying that I will never see that proof.
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Eleni if you want to use modern greek.
And I know he wasn't with her, and she helped convert him I think.
Whatever.

You know, I have read about many amazing archeological discoveries that you reported here since I've been here. Way more than 300 years old. You had no issue with those. What up?
What method did they use to determine that this was, in fact, the exact cross that Jesus had been crucified on?
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I hope this goes somewhere...
I have learned long ago AOT there is no convincing anyone of anything. Everyone is on their own journey. In my personal experience, people that I have come in contact with have typically come to faith in God through seeing Him in others. Any theology that does not have compassion as its foundation is bankrupt and of course Christ is our example in this regard.

I really don't believe it is an academic debate but one of experience. Christ makes the most outlandish claims of any religious figure yet most never take Him up on what he says he will do in their life. That truly is the only litmus test in my view of whether or not something is worth my time. I would have left the faith long ago if Christ had not held up his side of the equation. He divided history into two halves just by his life and yet so many never try him out.
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Eleni if you want to use modern greek.
And I know he wasn't with her, and she helped convert him I think.
Whatever.

You know, I have read about many amazing archeological discoveries that you reported here since I've been here. Way more than 300 years old. You had no issue with those. What up?


Archaeology requires evidence, context, and a supporting archaeological record.
Please provide that in this situation.


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Define God.

If you mean the Christian God, or the God of Abraham I am probably going to ask which version of the God are you telling me is "true".

In all honesty, given that I won't pretend, it's either all in or no in and based on the things that have happened in my life and I still don't have that kind of faith I'd say it's probably not going to happen.
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