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Old 01-08-2018, 01:54 PM   #1276
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Also, side note: Hell is real. We can go there right now and visit if we were so inclined. (I wouldn't recommend it). It's not a place you go to be tormented for picking the wrong sky guy though. It's where you go when you **** up too many times. More of a mental state than a physical place although many places have a physical address to go with it.
I would not disagree with this description in fact it is pretty deep and spot on even though I do believe in a literal hell as well.
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Old 01-08-2018, 02:04 PM   #1277
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I would not disagree with this description in fact it is pretty deep and spot on even though I do believe in a literal hell as well.
On the bright side, the Hell I'm referring to isn't an eternal sentence. You get to leave if you stop ****ing up.
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Without talking at all about belief, I would have a very hard time seeing institutional religion as anything but a means of control, wielded throughout history by the folks in charge.

The idea that religion and government are different is only a couple of hundred years old.

It's not a conspiracy in the "illuminati" sense but as far as I can see it's the raison d'etre for religion to exist.
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On the bright side, the Hell I'm referring to isn't an eternal sentence. You get to leave if you stop ****ing up.
Ah, I see. Then it is in fact eternal.
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Ah, I see. Then it is in fact eternal.
Well there's **** ups and there's **** ups.
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Well there's **** ups and there's **** ups.
Sort of like venial and mortal sins? Venial=purgatory. Mortal=hell.
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Here's a fairly long cartoon from The Oatmeal.

In it, the artist describes his perception of the terms "happy" and "unhappy" and the disconnect that occurs when people use those words in conversation and assume that others use those same words to describe similar emotions and concepts. As the artist shows, sometimes that's not the case.

While reading it, it occurred to me that a similar thing happens when some theists encounter the word atheist - they apply their notion of religious belief systems to the atheist, and surmise that the atheist believes that a certain set of assertions is true, and that although the atheist's set of assertions is different from those of the theist, they have common ground because they both believe in something.

But that's not the case. Unbelief in any set of religious tenets does not imply that the atheist has changed the direction of his/her belief vector, and that it's just pointing at some other set of assumptions. For the atheist, there is no belief system. And even though some theists understands this, they will still try to convince atheists that there's something missing in their lives, and that unbelief is a void that must be filled.

As the author of the cartoon points out, it's possible to live a full and meaningful life, interact with the rest of the world in positive ways, and not conform to the majority view of what life's purpose is or should be.

And that's OK.
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As the author of the cartoon points out, it's possible to live a full and meaningful life, interact with the rest of the world in positive ways, and not conform to the majority view of what life's purpose is or should be.

And that's OK.
I agree.
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