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Old 11-13-2017, 07:40 AM   #16
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What I don't understand is why otherwise intelligent human beings waste their efforts on attacking religion and faith.

It is my biggest irritiation with people I am otherwise a very big fan of. It is such a waste of time and energy from people with minds that could put it to far more productive use.
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What I don't understand is why otherwise intelligent human beings waste their efforts on attacking religion and faith.

It is my biggest irritiation with people I am otherwise a very big fan of. It is such a waste of time and energy from people with minds that could put it to far more productive use.
Conviction. You have to disprove it is wrong otherwise you are accountable to an eternal God.

BTW, many people have come to faith through trying to disapprove it so I am all for people putting the work in even if their intent at the get go is to disprove it. Asking the questions is always the beginning of knowledge.
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Old 11-13-2017, 07:59 AM   #18
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There's no need to prove anything wrong for reasons of "being held responsible to an eternal god" -- this variation of Pascal's Wager does not work either.
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If only Galileo had spent more time trying to disprove religion and less time peeping through his telescope.

I find most atheists to be just as annoying as Jehova Witnesses. When did atheists all of a sudden become f*cking preachers and missionaries?

Shut the f*ck up and believe whatever you want to believe, and stop wasting everyone's time trying to disprove something that can't be disproven, and is entirely, 100% irrelevant to the real world in the first place, yet you waste all of your time and energy on it.

You atheist idiots spend more time on God than most religious people, for Chrissake, and you are just as annoying.
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What I don't understand is why otherwise intelligent human beings waste their efforts on attacking religion and faith.

It is my biggest irritiation with people I am otherwise a very big fan of. It is such a waste of time and energy from people with minds that could put it to far more productive use.
The Hitchens link above more than sufficiently answers this question.

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If only Galileo had spent more time trying to disprove religion and less time peeping through his telescope.

I find most atheists to be just as annoying as Jehova Witnesses. When did atheists all of a sudden become f*cking preachers and missionaries?

Shut the f*ck up and believe whatever you want to believe, and stop wasting everyone's time trying to disprove something that can't be disproven, and is entirely, 100% irrelevant to the real world in the first place, yet you waste all of your time and energy on it.

You atheist idiots spend more time on God than most religious people, for Chrissake, and you are just as annoying.
This post demonstrates a complete misunderstanding of the atheist position.
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This post demonstrates a complete misunderstanding of the atheist position.
I don't care what the atheist position is, any more than I care what the position of Lutherans and Catholics is.

People shouldn't go popping off about their beliefs or disbeliefs in God or gods unless they are asked, or amongst their own kind.

I love, for example, Lawrence Krauss, but I have to sift through 5 fking videos of him railing against religion to find one where he discusses anything interesting or productive. Same with Hitchens. They squander their time and talent on a subject that is neither relevant, nor resolvable. If only they put their talents and brainpower to something useful, who knows what they might have accomplished.

A brilliant atheist who devotes his energies to preaching atheism is no different than a brilliant Catholic who devotes his energies to preaching religion.

If Einstein was a modern atheist, he would never have had time for General Relativity.
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I don't care what the atheist position is, any more than I care what the position of Lutherans and Catholics is.

People shouldn't go popping off about their beliefs or disbeliefs in God or gods unless they are asked, or amongst their own kind.

I love, for example, Lawrence Krauss, but I have to sift through 5 fking videos of him railing against religion to find one where he discusses anything interesting or productive. Same with Hitchens. They squander their time and talent on a subject that is neither relevant, nor resolvable. If only they put their talents and brainpower to something useful, who knows what they might have accomplished.

A brilliant atheist who devotes his energies to preaching atheism is no different than a brilliant Catholic who devotes his energies to preaching religion.

If Einstein was a modern atheist, he would never have had time for General Relativity.
Given that this post demonstrates a complete lack of awareness about what atheism is, perhaps you should.

I appreciate all your contributions to this forum, but holy shit do you have a giant blind spot when it comes to this issue.
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What I don't understand is why otherwise intelligent human beings waste their efforts on attacking religion and faith.
You don't understand why someone attacks something that contradicts their worldview?
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You don't understand why someone attacks something that contradicts their worldview?
That is a large distortion of why atheists push back against religion.
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That is a large distortion of why atheists push back against religion.
This is one of those cases where I think there is a very large gap between what Atheists think they're doing and what they're actually doing.
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You don't understand why someone attacks something that contradicts their worldview?
I understand why religious people attack atheism, but not the reverse.

The way I see it, it is like taking some of the most brilliant minds, and having them spend most of their time trying to disprove flying saucers.

No different.

It makes them just as useless as the Intelligent Design crowd.
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I understand why religious people attack atheism, but not the reverse.

The way I see it, it is like taking some of the most brilliant minds, and having them spend most of their time trying to disprove flying saucers.

No different.

It makes them just as useless as the Intelligent Design crowd.
What makes you think atheism is any less a religion than any other? Lack of "God"?

You don't need a sky guy to have a God.
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This is one of those cases where I think there is a very large gap between what Atheists think they're doing and what they're actually doing.
Not really. It's just that religion has such a foothold that challenges will be necessarily messy.

Oh, and it should probably be pointed out (again) that you are an atheist. So, when you challenge religious nonsense, is there a gap between what you think you are doing and what you actually are doing?
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If only Galileo had spent more time trying to disprove religion and less time peeping through his telescope.

I find most atheists to be just as annoying as Jehova Witnesses. When did atheists all of a sudden become f*cking preachers and missionaries?

Shut the f*ck up and believe whatever you want to believe, and stop wasting everyone's time trying to disprove something that can't be disproven, and is entirely, 100% irrelevant to the real world in the first place, yet you waste all of your time and energy on it.

You atheist idiots spend more time on God than most religious people, for Chrissake, and you are just as annoying.
Lol Baron. You are on fire early this Monday morning.
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Not really. It's just that religion has such a foothold that challenges will be necessarily messy.

Oh, and it should probably be pointed (again) out that you are an atheist. So, when you challenge religious nonsense, is there a gap between what you think you are doing and what you actually are doing?
Of course there is. It would be weirder if there wasn't a gap between how I interpret my actions and the "truth" of what they really are.



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That depends on what you mean by religion. The most useful definition I've seen (A set of beliefs that help the believer make sense of the world.) Certainly would include atheists.

I know atheists hate this but that doesn't make it any less true.

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