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Old 10-03-2017, 04:55 AM   #61
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Were they illegal?
Only in the modification to automatic. Hearing the audio no one has that quick of a trigger finger, they appear to be full auto, he didn't have permit for that from what I gather for fully automatic.
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The ones he converted yes.

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Rumors abound that this was an Antifa thing..not sure what to make of that...could be disinformation because Antifa is such a popular boogeyman right now.

This is supposedly a screen capture from Antifa Melbourne Facebook page, which has since been taken down. Not sure of the veracity of that, either.

I do find it odd that no real information has come out on this guy...usually within 24 hours there are all kinds of reports about the shooters, their social media, their history, all kinds of stuff....but this guy? Nothing except some stuff about his father.

I mean...he was a multi millionaire...where did he get his money? Has anyone heard that? Wouldn't you think that would be one of hte first facts reported is where he got his money?

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There's also some video footage which appears to show a second shooter, on or about the 4th floor of Mandalay Bay. Not sure what to make of that, either. I have seen 2 videos, but am looking for other sources.

The vids I saw were on Facebook, but I don't have an account, so I can't share them here.

I think the videos may be showing some kind of an artifact, or reflection. I'd like to see if Mandalay Bay has a broken window on or about the 4th floor.
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All driving Americans bear responsibility for all the innocents killed by drunk drivers.

Sometimes I wonder how many of these anti-gun nuts text while driving on a daily basis.
If all driving Americans insist that any anti-drunk driving laws are unconstitutional then you have a reasonable analogy, otherwise, no, not at all.
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If all driving Americans insist that any anti-drunk driving laws are unconstitutional then you have a reasonable analogy, otherwise, no, not at all.
Since left wingers don't give a flying f*ck about the Constitution, the analogy is perfect, really.

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I guess I'll move all this "hooray for dead rednecks" stuff to another thread.
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Since left wingers don't give a flying f*ck about the Constitution, the analogy is perfect, really.

If we are going to play the game of quoting a few assholes from one side to paint everyone with a broad brush we'll be going back and forth forever. There are just as many dickwads on the right.

Let's face facts, despite semi-annual mass shootings and the inevitable "false flag" accusations from the lunatic fringe no restrictions on firearms will ever be passed. If nothing was done after Sandy Hook nothing will ever be done.

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Were they illegal?
I have seen some reports that automatic weapons are legal in Nevada under certain restrictions but I am not going to pretend to have any actual knowledge in that area.
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Rumors abound that this was an Antifa thing..not sure what to make of that...could be disinformation because Antifa is such a popular boogeyman right now.

This is supposedly a screen capture from Antifa Melbourne Facebook page, which has since been taken down. Not sure of the veracity of that, either.

I do find it odd that no real information has come out on this guy...usually within 24 hours there are all kinds of reports about the shooters, their social media, their history, all kinds of stuff....but this guy? Nothing except some stuff about his father.

I mean...he was a multi millionaire...where did he get his money? Has anyone heard that? Wouldn't you think that would be one of hte first facts reported is where he got his money?

Antifa are scumbags, but until there are anything that indicates he was connected to them at all, I wouldnt make anything off it... The right sure hope he is and will suggest he might be, but that would be the same the other way around. And some extremeists from antifa will claim he was with them(as with the IS)

I read he was a gambler, so maybe thats where his money is from?
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And people are still talking about it. Why? Why is it that people think the 2nd Amendment supercedes the 1st Amendment? Why is it that the 2nd Amendment can be so far misconstrued from what it was originally intended for; yet, the 1st Amendment, when exercised properly, is un-American?

I'm so tired of this argument. It is so blatantly obvious to me, and the screaming about it all is just beyond tiresome.
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I have seen some reports that automatic weapons are legal in Nevada under certain restrictions but I am not going to pretend to have any actual knowledge in that area.
In most cases they're "legal" but require so many hoops to be jumped through they're effectively illegal.

The people screaming about being able to pick these things up at WalMart are just being hysterical.

Edit: forgot to mention the 1986 cutoff. See Baron's post below

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I have seen some reports that automatic weapons are legal in Nevada under certain restrictions but I am not going to pretend to have any actual knowledge in that area.
I can sum it up.

1. Automatic weapons are illegal nationwide since 1986, but there is a grandfather clause for weapons prior to that, and there is a rigorous regulation and licensing process for collectors and such to get a hold of them in special cases.

2. The shooter did not have an automatic weapon. He had what is called a "bump stock" which is of questionable legality, sort of a grey area. It uses the recoil of the gun to allow the shooter to shoot in almost full auto. To the casual obsesrver, it would look and sound like a full auto, because it is rapid fire, but will shoot at a rate much lower than a true full auto.
The problem is, civilian firearms are not built to withstand that rate of fire, so using these devices can be damaging to the weapon, and using them for sustained rapid fire will most certainly damage the weapon.
It seems, unconfirmed, that the reason the shooter had so many guns in the place, was he was using his bump stock until the gun melted down, and then would put the device onto the next weapon...according to sources I have read.
Basically, the shooter used a device that is in a legal grey area and destroyed his guns in using it.
EDIT: Incidentally, most bump fire stocks are homemade. It's not really something you can regulate out of existence, only it's use.

3. There are other devices similar to the bump stock. The problem is, the BTF keeps trying to regulate one device after another, but people keep coming up with new designs that are, more or less, legal to purchase until the BATF gets around to regulating them...and there is your grey area. They are legal until they are not. Ban one device, someone invents a new one...round and round we go.
Basically, the trigger is a little lever, and all you have to do is invent something that moves a tiny lever really fast. How many ways are there to do that?

Here is a bump stock in action, note how quickly the barrel heats up...heavy use will melt it in a hurry;


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