Jason Aldean Vegas Attack

[Jaric]

Originally Posted by AkPatsFan

Exactly the reason why I'm getting one for my AR.

Yeah I was curious myself and did a little research. Like most Americans my experience with a silencer was from movies where the gunshot turns into a barely audible "floof!". Turns out reality is a little different.

Also, PSA, for sure still use ear protection at the range even with a silencer. 130db can still cause perm hearing damage.

[AkPatsFan]

I've got a buddy that has probably a half dozen of them and he's got one on a 22 bolt action rifle that is so quiet he shoots in the back room in his store into a phone book and you can hardly hear it.

A 22 isn't very loud to begin with, I shoot mine out at the cabin all the time without hearing protection but that AR, man is that thing loud.

[Jaric]

Originally Posted by AkPatsFan

I've got a buddy that has probably a half dozen of them and he's got one on a 22 bolt action rifle that is so quiet he shoots in the back room in his store into a phone book and you can hardly hear it.

A 22 isn't very loud to begin with, I shoot mine out at the cabin all the time without hearing protection but that AR, man is that thing loud.

This is the part of the thread where I scold you for not using protection.

[AkPatsFan]

Well that didn't take long, good on CBS for not wasting time firing this piece of trash.

http://www.foxnews.com/entertainment...publicans.html

[PatsFanLisa]

Originally Posted by Jaric

People use them to help prevent hearing loss.

A gunshot with a silencer is still in the 130 decibel range which is on par with being about 50 feet away from a military jet takeoff from an aircraft carrier with an afterburner. A jackhammer is in the 100 db range.

Then wear headsets.

[Jaric]

Originally Posted by PatsFanLisa

Then wear headsets.

I mean, you should be doing that anyway as 130 db* is still more than enough to cause perm hearing loss. I was just offering a legitimate legal reason someone would want to own a silencer and that even with a silencer it should be crystal clear that a gun has been fired.

*For clarity, the 130db level I'm referring to was based on tests of a 1911 (.45acp). Obviously the bigger or smaller the caliber will impact the actual db level

[subroc]

Originally Posted by AkPatsFan

Well that didn't take long, good on CBS for not wasting time firing this piece of trash.

http://www.foxnews.com/entertainment...publicans.html

I wonder if she regularly expresses such venom on republicans or if this was a one off comment?

[mikiemo83]

An American Terrorist, not ISIS, Not Muslim, Not Aftifa - just a sick MFer with access to illegal firearms.

he is a terrorist, plain and simple.

I wish he was taken alive and put on trial so he could face the families of the lives he destroyed.

[subroc]

Originally Posted by mikiemo83

An American Terrorist, not ISIS, Not Muslim, Not Aftifa - just a sick MFer with access to illegal firearms.

he is a terrorist, plain and simple.

I wish he was taken alive and put on trial so he could face the families of the lives he destroyed.

It is far too early to say with any certainty what his motivation was. Clearly, one of the things he is, is a "home grown mass shooter/killer" If there are any other associations we have yet to hear them, but it doesn't mean that a thorough investigation won't reveal more.

[Baron Samedi]

Originally Posted by Jaric

People use them to help prevent hearing loss.

A gunshot with a silencer is still in the 130 decibel range which is on par with being about 50 feet away from a military jet takeoff from an aircraft carrier with an afterburner. A jackhammer is in the 100 db range.

Damn, Jaric. I am duly impressed!

This silencer thing is one of those Hollywood myths that people get their firearms knowledge from...like the guy getting knocked off of his feet when shot.

EDIT: By the way...even ENGLAND allows suppressors. They recognize it as a benefit for health and neighborhood noise reduction.

[Baron Samedi]

Originally Posted by Jaric

*For clarity, the 130db level I'm referring to was based on tests of a 1911 (.45acp). Obviously the bigger or smaller the caliber will impact the actual db level

Incidentally, .45ACP isn't even supersonic. Try shooting a rifle caliber sometime, where the bullet is going 3 times the speed or more. LOUD.

[NSPatsFan]

After Sandy Hook I gave up all hope of you Yanks getting sane on guns. Once you decided it was totally cool for little kids to be slaughtered it was all over. Nothing will change because of this.

Congrats gun nuts.

[O_P_T]

For anyone who wants to know just what the difference in sound is with a silencer, NPR had this article from last March where you can play audio of various weapons with and without suppressors.

They had this little bit of information in the article.

Technical Note

The recording was done about 8 feet from the shooter with a microphone pointed away from the gun, so as not to overwhelm the mic. That makes all of the sounds much quieter than they actually were. For perspective, the quietest shot you’ll hear, the 9mm handgun suppressed, is still about 125 decibels – louder than an ambulance siren.

So I'm thinking, the average person can hear an ambulance siren, so I'm pretty sure they'll hear a suppressed gun shot.

[patswin]

Originally Posted by NSPatsFan

After Sandy Hook I gave up all hope of you Yanks getting sane on guns. Once you decided it was totally cool for little kids to be slaughtered it was all over. Nothing will change because of this.

Congrats gun nuts.

If you find any evidence where any one thought it was cool for anyone to be slaughtered, feel free to post a link. Otherwise, keep your lunatic ranting to yourself. There's a lot of people who post rational reasoned debates on many topics. You're not one one of them. I don't often post such in your face responses, but you're deserving.
Now.. go away.

[Coltsfan2theend]

Originally Posted by PatsFanLisa

If nothing else, what this has shown me is that people hear gunshots, they run for cover.

People don't hear gunshots, they could die in an attack like this.

Silencers will go to the House this week. There is not one reason on earth why these should be made legal. Not one.

In most states, silencers are legal, but highly regulated (Class III weapon, like automatic weapons made before 1986, still able to be purchased where state laws allow). The bill only takes silencers off the NFA act list. Meaning no more $200 tax to the government after the price of the silencer. That also means that the price of suppressors will go up as more people will buy them with no more NFA act to go through.

Originally Posted by Jaric

Yeah I was curious myself and did a little research. Like most Americans my experience with a silencer was from movies where the gunshot turns into a barely audible "floof!". Turns out reality is a little different.

Also, PSA, for sure still use ear protection at the range even with a silencer. 130db can still cause perm hearing damage.

A silenced 22 can be shot without hearing protection, done it myself, it is like a pellet gun. Anything above a 22 suppressed, you will hear it.

While not legal and very practical, as soon as you attach an oil filter to the adapter here, you have a suppressor. If someone wanted to use one illegally, it wouldn't take much. I also heard that it isn't very precise.

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