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Old 08-13-2017, 03:59 PM   #31
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Well Lisa, while Trump didn’t choose to take the side of the racist white supremacists, he also didn’t take the side of the fascist left agitators. He did exactly as HSanders said he did above. He condemned it universally.

The bottom line is that the lame stream media and the left wing nut jobs have chosen to politicize it ( let no good tragedy go unused, right?) Nothing short of proclaiming himself a socialist fascist like the left would be good enough for folks such as yourself.

Had the previous occupant of the White House made the exact same statement, you would be on here proclaiming him a statesman.
Thanks for your always neutral input.

Right now I'm concerned about today. What is happening today.

Agitators? I see you've bought his rhetoric from yesterday hook, line and sinker, as you usually do. The president of the United States should have called them out for who and what they are. And if you want to fault the people who were there to protest their vile hatred, you know, the ones who weren't armed with shields and bats and guns and cars and chemical sprays, that just tells us who YOU are.

The implication by the president that the Nazis marching and the group of demonstrators who gathered to oppose them were equally wrong is despicable.

There is no equalization here. There is a side that has been empowered to spew their hatred and another side that eschews it. Which side are you on?

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Old 08-13-2017, 04:21 PM   #32
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Also, if you are willing to look at Nazis/white supremacists and those that are willing to fight their hatred as morally equivalent, again, you are part of the problem.
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Old 08-13-2017, 04:37 PM   #33
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Thanks for your always neutral input.

Right now I'm concerned about today. What is happening today.

Agitators? I see you've bought his rhetoric from yesterday hook, line and sinker, as you usually do. The president of the United States should have called them out for who and what they are. And if you want to fault the people who were there to protest their vile hatred, you know, the ones who weren't armed with shields and bats and guns and cars and chemical sprays, that just tells us who YOU are.

The implication by the president that the Nazis marching and the group of demonstrators who gathered to oppose them were equally wrong is despicable.

There is no equalization here. There is a side that has been empowered to spew their hatred and another side that eschews it. Which side are you on?
Both groups should be despised and resented yet allowed to peaceably assemble and protest. Peaceably.

Since you obviously HAVEN'T READ President Trump's statement, here it is verbatim (bold is mine):

"We condemn in the strongest possible terms this egregious display of hatred, bigotry, and violence that's on many sides. On many sides. It's been going on for a long time in our country. Not Donald Trump, not Barack Obama, it's been going on for a long, long time. It has no place in America. What is vital now is the swift restoration of law and order, and the protection of innocent lives. No citizen should ever fear for their safety and security in our society. And no child should ever be afraid to go outside and play, or be with their parents, and have a good time.

I just go off the phone with the governor of Virginia, Terry McAuliffe, and we agreed that the hate and the division must stop. And must stop right now. We have to come together as Americans with love for our nation and true affection — and really I say this so strongly — true affection for each other.

Our country is doing very well in so many ways, we have record, just absolute record employment, we have unemployment at the lowest it's been in almost 17 years. We have companies pouring into our country, Foxcon and car companies, and so many others, they are coming back to our country. We're renegotiating trade deals to make them great for our country, and great for the American worker. We have so many great things happening in our country, so when I watch Charlottesville, to me, it's very, very sad.

I want to salute the great work of the state and local police in Virginia. Incredible people, law enforcement, incredible people. And also the National Guard, they've really been working smart and working hard. They've been doing a terrific job. Federal authorities are also providing tremendous support to the governor, he thanked me for that. We are here to provide any other assistance is needed. We are ready, willing, and able.

Above all else we must remember this truth: no matter our color, creed, religion, or political party, we are all Americans first. We love our country, we love our God, we love our flag, we're proud of our country, we're proud of who we are. So we want to get the situation straightened out in Charlottesville, and we want to study it. And we want to see what we are doing wrong as a country where things like this can happen.

My administration is restoring the sacred bonds of loyalty between this nation and its citizens, but our citizens must also restore the bonds of trust and loyalty between one another. We must love each other, respect each other, and cherish our history an our future together. So important. We have to respect each other, ideally we have to love each other."




What more do you want (besides a bullet in President Trump's head)? For crying out loud. Only liberals could find a way to whine and bitch about President Trump's statement on the tragedy in Virginia. Hell, it isn't as if he sent the DOJ in to stir up racial divide in MO and FL (and others). If you want to find someone to hate for inciting racial unrest in this country look no further than obama. He did it constantly.

READ THE STATEMENT LISA.

I really would like to able to have reasonable discussion here going forward but at some point we all need to agree on the obvious. In this case, the entire premise of President Trump's speech is anti-hate and closing racial divisions in this country. If you can't or refuse to see the obvious Lisa, that is on you and crystal clear to everyone.
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Old 08-13-2017, 04:39 PM   #34
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Also, if you are willing to look at Nazis/white supremacists and those that are willing to fight their hatred as morally equivalent, again, you are part of the problem.
LOL. All you can do is try to paint false narratives. That skill must have worked at some point given your complete and utter reliance on it. It doesn't anymore. It just highlights your lack of a defendable position.
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Old 08-13-2017, 04:59 PM   #35
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LOL. All you can do is try to paint false narratives. That skill must have worked at some point given your complete and utter reliance on it. It doesn't anymore. It just highlights your lack of a defendable position.
You can't have a reasonable discussion with anyone except yourself. I've stated my opinion. The only false narratives are the ones that you continually post.

Keep supporting him, though. I give you credit for not backing down when virtually everyone, except his base, has called him out on just about everything.
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Old 08-13-2017, 05:09 PM   #36
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Here's a suggestion.

Everyone take a deep breath and step back from the abyss.

Both sides (here) should stop and think for a moment what the other side is saying and actually listen for a once.

Both sides are reading far too deep, IMHO, into what Trump did and didn't say.

His statement was sufficiently vague that one can read either interpretation into it.

So please don't claim to "know" what he meant.

But I have one simple question for both sides.

Are you equally outraged over the Berkeley protests/violence earlier this year?

If no, why not?
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Old 08-13-2017, 05:43 PM   #37
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Here's a suggestion.

Everyone take a deep breath and step back from the abyss.

Both sides (here) should stop and think for a moment what the other side is saying and actually listen for a once.

Both sides are reading far too deep, IMHO, into what Trump did and didn't say.

His statement was sufficiently vague that one can read either interpretation into it.

So please don't claim to "know" what he meant.

But I have one simple question for both sides.

Are you equally outraged over the Berkeley protests/violence earlier this year?

If no, why not?
Calmly and coherently I read his statement. How is it vague? Is it because he didn't NAME the fascist antifa? Is it because the didn't NAME the racist white supremacists? He went further and included a huge swath of the haters in this country:

"We condemn in the strongest possible terms this egregious display of hatred, bigotry, and violence that's on many sides."

That is far from vague to me. I agree with him.

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Old 08-13-2017, 05:47 PM   #38
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You can't have a reasonable discussion with anyone except yourself. I've stated my opinion. The only false narratives are the ones that you continually post.

Keep supporting him, though. I give you credit for not backing down when virtually everyone, except his base, has called him out on just about everything.
Thanks for the credit. I pride myself in being able to discern (even if I disagree) to a high degree.

You can have your opinions and that is fine as it is still a free country (kinda), but when you say things that are patently false then I will be here for you. You know, to help you. I am a nice person that way.

I ask one thing from you: Go back and read the statements that I put in bold. That is all. Go Pats!
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Thanks for the credit. I pride myself in being able to discern (even if I disagree) to a high degree.

You can have your opinions and that is fine as it is still a free country (kinda), but when you say things that are patently false then I will be here for you. You know, to help you. I am a nice person that way.

I ask one thing from you: Go back and read the statements that I put in bold. That is all. Go Pats!
I forgot, you are adept at pointing out how everyone is wrong, post "patently false" things, and are just generally always right.

Silly me.
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Trump came out to condemn those who committed the horrible white supremacist violence
Yup. Message delivered and message received.

https://thinkprogress.org/white-supr...-3d0d50196c52/
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Yup. Message delivered and message received.

https://thinkprogress.org/white-supr...-3d0d50196c52/
Sure. He didn't condemn ANY specific group unlike obama that went after law enforcement repeatedly via his DOJ.

When you are bringing the country together, this is what you do as a leader. Anything less would be obama like.

PS- do you REALLY want to get into a battle of fringe twitter posts? BLM is loaded with hate and racist crap.

President Trump delivered a great response to the far left fascists and far right racists. IIWII
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I forgot, you are adept at pointing out how everyone is wrong, post "patently false" things, and are just generally always right.

Silly me.
It isn't always fun being the strong one, but I will stay the course. You need me to and I will carry on.
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It isn't always fun being the strong one, but I will stay the course. You need me to and I will carry on.
I have about as much use for you as I do for the people carrying the torches yesterday.
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He had a chance to be presidential, to lead.

He didn't.
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I have about as much use for you as I do for the people carrying the torches yesterday.
Different than the cop killer supporter/members of the BLM, I will do what's right and help you out.

No worries.
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