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Old 08-04-2017, 12:11 PM   #16
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My take is that while it's currently worse on the left, I'm seeing the behavior ramping up on the right in response. Same with identity politics. Same with quite a bunch of bullshit actually.

Our political discussion has turned into a big game of "hold my beer."
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When you say "ramping up on the right", are you talking about the "anti-antifa" crowds, or something else?

I have not seen a lot of violence from the right except when antifa is around, but I could be not looking in the right places.
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If were only talking about the extremists (like antifa), I'll go to a Klan march with some black and Jewish friends and talk about equal rights, think I'll be safe?

Hell, I'll go to a Trump rally and simple ask why Hillary should be locked up and get assaulted, and you can take that to the bank.

There is this herd mentality thing that the intolerance on the left fringe isn't reflected by the intolerance of the right, it's not true. There is definitely an intolerance of opposing views, but it cuts both ways. The riots in Berkeley were because BOTH sides were looking for a fight, documented in advance online.
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I dunno, I'm not seeing a lot of Klan and skinhead marches around nowadays.

The thing is, I'm not sure antifa and the like represent the extreme of the left. I think they represent a significant faction of the left, not some fraction of 1% like the klan. My guess is that active antifa types represent maybe 5% of the left, with another 20%-40% of the left being sympathetic to and approving of antifa.

I think the antifa type left is not only a significant faction, I think it is growing, and quickly.
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When you say "ramping up on the right", are you talking about the "anti-antifa" crowds, or something else?

I have not seen a lot of violence from the right except when antifa is around, but I could be not looking in the right places.
Yeah. Don't get me wrong, I understand. You can find posts of mine in the antifa thread wanting to crack some skulls which is really 50% hot air and 50% a legitimate desire to crush their windpipes with my bare hands. Still though, political violence is very hard to put back in the box once it's opened and it generally tends to get worse before it gets better (if it ever does get better)

If you look at the fall of the Roman Republic you notice that people got increasingly more comfortable with attacking and killing the people the disagreed with leading eventually to Caesar.

What I'm talking about is more visible with the identity politics section of this though. That Richard Spencer asshole and the "Alt-Right," faction that has sprung up. Not to be confused with the "Alt-lite" faction who just likes Trump or perhaps hates PC culture.

I'm sick of all of it, personally.
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I think I'd have to disagree about the percentages.

I have a fair number of hard core lefty Friends & acquaintances who go to marches and what not and very few of them are looking to incite violence of any sort. I'd but the % at much less than 1%, more like a few thousand brainless nitwits (and I worked in Cambridge for years, so I know the type).

A few hundred of these dopes in every city hardly does a movement make, nor does a few thousand Klan and Nazis nationwide. They are both a tiny, vocal minority.
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I don't know, I know a few that are not themselves violent, but they support Antifa and the riots stopping people like Coulter and Milo from speaking...they approve of it out of one side of their mouth, but then say they don't support violence out of the other side.

I mean, I come right out and say that I support the cause of BLM, but not the organization, the movement, or the tactics.

I don't hear a lot of condemnation of antifa from the lefties I know...just a kind of silence and, when pressed, an ambivalent condemnation of violence associated with them, often followed by some justification that the speakers and the right wingers incite the violence, so it's really the right's fault.

It's sort of a cloaked approval of antifa and violence, so long as they can shift the blame onto the right, so it's not really the left's fault. You know, sort of a veiled "But...they're Nazi's, so the violence is understandable, even if I don't approve" kind of thing.
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I think the Kaepernick situation is to Free Speech what the Deflategate situation was to Fake News and denial of reality.

The guy was protected to say what he wanted and oh boy did he say some stupid things. This opens him up to everyone else's freedom to treat him any way they wanted.

The people who are on his side are actually opposed to free speech. They don't want white people (it's always white people with Liberals) to voice their opinion of his disgusting comments. They don't want football fans to express that they don't want him on their teams. They also don't want coaches, GMs, and Owners to be free to pass on a disgusting human who is also 4-20 in his last 24 starts.

There is much more to dislike about him but just take this nugget:

Dictator H had some good ideas.
Dictator C had some good ideas.

The first comment got a rich 1%'er owner removed from her position as Reds owner.
The second comment is Kaepernick on Castro.

Liberals on this issue don't think white people have the right to be offended by his comment. They are OK with Cuban American's being offended. What this means is they are treating white people differently than those of Cuban decent. This is textbook racism.

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C'mon, skippy, what owner wouldn't FLY to sign a guy who argued with a Cuban refugee that Castro was AWESOME?
What owner WOULDN'T fly to sign a guy who uses work hours and work uniforms to speak their political minds via wearing cop pig socks, etc.?

I mean I'm SURE that those same crybabies would run to the defense of someone using work time, uniforms and platforms to promote the KKK. Right?
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Nobody talking about yesterday's "free speech" hate march and the results of it?
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No one is trying to justify violence in the name of any cause, nor the righteousness of this one. And the msm is reporting on it. So...were it like this with all violent protests and marches, there wouldn't be a need for topics on it because they would be discussed and the violence condemned equally. I'm surprised a left winger would even bring it up because Trump came out to condemn those who committed the horrible white supremacist violence, and beelzebub knows most of you can't judge individual actions, only party group think(which is ironic because Trump is actually more of a democrat, but I digress).
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No one is trying to justify violence in the name of any cause, nor the righteousness of this one. And the msm is reporting on it. So...were it like this with all violent protests and marches, there wouldn't be a need for topics on it because they would be discussed and the violence condemned equally. I'm surprised a left winger would even bring it up because Trump came out to condemn those who committed the horrible white supremacist violence, and beelzebub knows most of you can't judge individual actions, only party group think(which is ironic because Trump is actually more of a democrat, but I digress).
Interesting response.

My interpretation of what's bolded is if you believe that, you're part of the problem.
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No one is trying to justify violence in the name of any cause, nor the righteousness of this one. And the msm is reporting on it. So...were it like this with all violent protests and marches, there wouldn't be a need for topics on it because they would be discussed and the violence condemned equally. I'm surprised a left winger would even bring it up because Trump came out to condemn those who committed the horrible white supremacist violence, and beelzebub knows most of you can't judge individual actions, only party group think(which is ironic because Trump is actually more of a democrat, but I digress).
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Interesting response.

My interpretation of what's bolded is if you believe that, you're part of the problem.
Well Lisa, while Trump didnít choose to take the side of the racist white supremacists, he also didnít take the side of the fascist left agitators. He did exactly as HSanders said he did above. He condemned it universally.

The bottom line is that the lame stream media and the left wing nut jobs have chosen to politicize it ( let no good tragedy go unused, right?) Nothing short of proclaiming himself a socialist fascist like the left would be good enough for folks such as yourself.

Had the previous occupant of the White House made the exact same statement, you would be on here proclaiming him a statesman.
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