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Old 08-03-2017, 06:28 AM   #1
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The War on Free Speech

Damn, it's everywhere now...college campuses, Facebook, Twitter, Youtube..so much for the 1st Amendment.

The Deep State and leftists are winning the battles right now. All in the name of keeping you safe. Security or Liberty. Take your pick.

YouTube Takes Steps To Censor "Controversial" (a.k.a. "Conservative") Content

Last night YouTube took to its 'Official Blog' to more or less announce that they would be taking steps to censor content they found to be "controversial" even if it didn't break any laws or violate the site's user agreement. And while the message vowed to be part of an effort to "fight terror content online," the move was met wth widespread skepticism among YouTuber's as nothing more than a thinly-veiled attempt to censor conservative speech.

Tougher standards: We’ll soon be applying tougher treatment to videos that aren’t illegal but have been flagged by users as potential violations of our policies on hate speech and violent extremism. If we find that these videos don’t violate our policies but contain controversial religious or supremacist content, they will be placed in a limited state. The videos will remain on YouTube behind an interstitial, won’t be recommended, won’t be monetized, and won’t have key features including comments, suggested videos, and likes. We’ll begin to roll this new treatment out to videos on desktop versions of YouTube in the coming weeks, and will bring it to mobile experiences soon thereafter. These new approaches entail significant new internal tools and processes, and will take time to fully implement.


But it's not just content creators that will be impacted as anyone who merely searches for keywords that YouTube deems 'questionable', for whatever reason, will be promptly redirected to propaganda videos intended to "directly confront and debunk" whatever 'questionable' content that user was looking for.

Early intervention and expanding counter-extremism work: We’ve started rolling out features from Jigsaw’s Redirect Method to YouTube. When people search for sensitive keywords on YouTube, they will be redirected towards a playlist of curated YouTube videos that directly confront and debunk violent extremist messages. We also continue to amplify YouTube voices speaking out against hate and radicalization through our YouTube Creators for Change program. Just last week, the U.K. chapter of Creators for Change, Internet Citizens, hosted a two-day workshop for 13-18 year-olds to help them find a positive sense of belonging online and learn skills on how to participate safely and responsibly on the internet. We also pledged to expand the program’s reach to 20,000 more teens across the U.K.


So who will be responsible for choosing which content qualifies as "controversial" and/or "questionable?" Well, as the Daily Caller points out, that responsibility will fall upon 'impartial' groups like the Anti-Defamation League that recently published a list of "alt-right" and "alt-lite" YouTubers yet failed to highlight extreme leftist organizations like Antifa...must have just been an oversight.

According to YouTube, the system, while largely automated, will mix in human reviews in the form of its already established “Trusted Flagger” volunteer program that works with over 15 institutions to deal with extremist content, including the Anti-Defamation League.

The ADL recently released a list naming members of the “alt-right” and the “alt-lite,” the latter of which included controversial YouTube personalities like Gavin McInnes, Mike Cernovich, and Brittany Pettibone. Curiously, the ADL is selective in what it chooses to label as “extremism.” It does not have violent far-left ideologies like Antifa and militant leftist organizations like Redneck Revolt on its radar.

It’s worth noting that the “Trusted Flagger” system was later transformed into the much maligned “YouTube Heroes” program, which invited the public to help moderate content. It was heavily criticized for giving social justice activists the power to manipulate the platform.

Despite the apparent focus on targeting extremism, YouTube’s announcement includes the company’s efforts to artificially promote videos through its “Creators for Change” program, which in YouTube’s own words pushes creators who are “using their voices to speak out against hate speech, xenophobia, and extremism.”


Not surprisingly, these moves to censor content creators while shoving propaganda videos down the throats of users, has been blasted by conservatives online who feel like they've been targeted.

“If a video doesn’t break YouTube’s terms of services then they absolutely SHOULD NOT be attempting to dampen the reach of the video any further,” said YouTuber Annand “Bunty King” Virk, who raised his concerns with The Daily Caller. “Who determines what’s passable and what isn’t? At what point do we finally realize that saying the right thing isn’t always about saying what people want to hear?”

“By these standards, if YouTube existed previous to the Emancipation Act, they’d be censoring videos criticizing slave owners, since being anti-slavery wasn’t popular… at all,” he added. “The popular opinion isn’t always the right opinion.”

“No one can really say who’s going to be impacted by this new road map, and that’s the point isn’t it? If their policies and terms of service aren’t there to help guide creators anymore, then why even have them? So really, anyone could be at risk without even knowing it,” he said.

“I have no problem with YouTube cracking down on terrorist recruitment videos and the likes,” clarified Undoomed. “What I don’t understand is how such videos could’ve possibly been considered acceptable under the extant TOS and policies.”

“I think there is a high probably for collateral damage with this new attitude,” he said. “Some people could conceivably consider skeptics and anti-SJWs ‘extremists,’ while all we are doing is arguing for a little common sense, and of course for freedom of speech as demanded by the Constitution.”

“My suspicion is that ‘trusted flaggers’ is just a code word for the ‘usual suspects’. i.e. the same type of radical left-wing reactionaries that have reshaped Twitter into an Orwellian nightmare,” he concluded.


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I believe it was yesterday it was announced that Jordan Peterson's YouTube channel fell afoul of this new policy. If that's the litmus test for what's considered unacceptable, I won't be using YouTube in the future.

I wish I knew enough setting up something like that, because the demand for an alternative platform is about to skyrocket and it's going to make someone a lot of money.
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What does the first amendment have to do with Youtube? There are plenty of other video sites that censor basically nothing.
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Not the 1st Amendment. Free Speech. There's a difference. One is legal, the other is cultural.
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Damn, it's everywhere now...college campuses, Facebook, Twitter, Youtube..so much for the 1st Amendment.



I do agree this is a bad move for YouTube. The market is ripe for a new king of user submitted video hosting.
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I do agree this is a bad move for YouTube. The market is ripe for a new king of user submitted video hosting.
AH, I see the confusion. Let me clarify.

I am a huge Bill of Rights guy. It is scripture to me, and I rail against any encroachments or violation of any part of it.

One of my biggest concerns in today's society is an absolute disregard of the Bill of Rights, and in this case the 1st Amendment, as being important in American culture. Today, the 1st amendment and the exercise thereof is viewed as threatening and dangerous, and this is largely a product of higher education and the media, who are basically propagandists for elements within government.

If you want to abolish the Bill of Rights, you don't just go ahead and do it, first you manipulate the public into believeing that Constitutional Rights endanger them, and that the government is needed to keep them safe but can't do an effective job with all these rights that can be exploited by the boogeyman out to get you.

I think we are well along that path. It started with the 2nd amendment, but it has moved well into the 1st, 4th, 6th, and 9th, as we are bit by bit eliminating free speech, privacy, and due process in our society.

All in the name of security and social justice, of course.
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I don't get too fired up about SJWs and the like. Tempest in a teapot stuff there.

Gender bathrooms are just not a real issue to me. Use the stall, close the door, problem gone.

Domestic surveillance, lack of due process, militarization of police forces, these things I find quite a bit more worrisome.

You ever think, just for a minute, you might be being distracted for a reason?
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AH, I see the confusion. Let me clarify.

I am a huge Bill of Rights guy. It is scripture to me, and I rail against any encroachments or violation of any part of it.

One of my biggest concerns in today's society is an absolute disregard of the Bill of Rights, and in this case the 1st Amendment, as being important in American culture. Today, the 1st amendment and the exercise thereof is viewed as threatening and dangerous, and this is largely a product of higher education and the media, who are basically propagandists for elements within government.

If you want to abolish the Bill of Rights, you don't just go ahead and do it, first you manipulate the public into believeing that Constitutional Rights endanger them, and that the government is needed to keep them safe but can't do an effective job with all these rights that can be exploited by the boogeyman out to get you.

I think we are well along that path. It started with the 2nd amendment, but it has moved well into the 1st, 4th, 6th, and 9th, as we are bit by bit eliminating free speech, privacy, and due process in our society.

All in the name of security and social justice, of course.
Baron, I understand your concern, and am not cavalier about the issue.

However, whatever YouTube decides to permit and ban has nothing to do with the First Amendment.

IMHO, the YouTube servers are no different than your or my home. They are private property and within the owner of said property can dictate what can and cannot be said.

If someone is in my house and says something I find objectionable, I reserve the right to tell them to not say such things in my house.

Do you dispute this right?

I don't know how to prevent YouTube from doing what they are doing, without limiting the ability of me deciding what is objectionable in my home.

Seems to me it is similar to the issue regarding criminal law. The Law is intended to make sure that an innocent persons is not imprisoned, even if it means 10 times as many "criminals" go free.

Note I said "intended" the discussion on how effective it is at accomplishing that is for another discussion.
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Baron, I understand your concern, and am not cavalier about the issue.

However, whatever YouTube decides to permit and ban has nothing to do with the First Amendment.

IMHO, the YouTube servers are no different than your or my home. They are private property and within the owner of said property can dictate what can and cannot be said.

If someone is in my house and says something I find objectionable, I reserve the right to tell them to not say such things in my house.

Do you dispute this right?

I don't know how to prevent YouTube from doing what they are doing, without limiting the ability of me deciding what is objectionable in my home.

Seems to me it is similar to the issue regarding criminal law. The Law is intended to make sure that an innocent persons is not imprisoned, even if it means 10 times as many "criminals" go free.

Note I said "intended" the discussion on how effective it is at accomplishing that is for another discussion.
I don't dispute the right of Youtube or any other private service to manage by whatever means they like.

What I dislike is the public support for censorship...not just on youtube, but every social media platform, college campuses, the media. Americans now, the snowflakes and SJW's, are not just cavalier about free speech, they are rabidly anti-free speech. They want to shut down any views that oppose them, by any means from censorship-nerds on social media, to molotov coctails and violent antifa rallies.

It's like 1930's Germany. It's very worrisome.

I wonder if a poll were taken today, how many Americans would support altering or abolishing the 1st Amendment. I worry that it may be close to a majority.
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If I go to an NRA meeting and talk about gun control I don't think my views will be given a fair hearing.

If I go to Liberty University and want to give a talk on why I think the bible is myth, I bet you any amount of money that I won't be booked.

You yourself are open to at least hearing opposing viewpoints, but for all the SJWs and snowflakes you like to site I can find an equal number of "conservatives" who don't want to hear about "liberal" ideas.
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If I go to an NRA meeting and talk about gun control I don't think my views will be given a fair hearing.

If I go to Liberty University and want to give a talk on why I think the bible is myth, I bet you any amount of money that I won't be booked.

You yourself are open to at least hearing opposing viewpoints, but for all the SJWs and snowflakes you like to site I can find an equal number of "conservatives" who don't want to hear about "liberal" ideas.
The conservatives aren't marching the streets in hooded masks assaulting people and setting things on fire.

I guarantee you that if you went to an NRA meeting to talk about gun control, you may get shouted down, but you wouldn't be assaulted.

Now, if I go to a snowflake/antifa/SJW meeting to express my pro-2nd amendment views, I would almost certainly be assaulted, and potentially be in danger of my life, and my vehicle would likely be damaged, if not destroyed in the process.

Do you disagree?
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Dude, Baron has been a valued member of this forum for quite some time.
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Old 08-04-2017, 11:58 AM   #14
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Nah, I'm pretty sure you can take them. Just don't turn your back to them and you'll be fine.
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Nah, I'm pretty sure you can take them. Just don't turn your back to them and you'll be fine.
Seriously, though.

I am wondering if my personal bias is coloring my impressions of the two scenarios, or if what I said is likely to be true.

What I see from the left, mostly the younger folk on the left, is a sort of blind rage mob mentality....the "It's awesome to punch a Nazi in the face, and anyone that isn't like us is a Nazi" mentality.

Going to an NRA meeting to talk about gun control would be as or less dangerous than, say, crossing a picket line in broad daylight. Probably less so. There would be risk, but not imminent risk.

Going to an Antifa/SJW/snowflake meeting to talk about the virtues of the 2nd amendment....is there any possibility that violence won't result from it?
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