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Old 07-26-2017, 12:17 PM   #1
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EU Gives Poland One Month Ultimatum, Threatens With "Article 7 Procedure"

The Vice-President of the European Commission, Frans Timmermans, escalated the diplomatic row between Brussels and Warsaw on Wednesday when he said that the EU was launching legal infringement proceedings and giving Warsaw a one month ultimatum over one of the recently passed reforms to Poland's court system, even as earlier in the week Poland's president Andrzej Duda vetoed two of the four controversial reforms to the judiciary.

The EU has taken issue with one particular legislation because it introduces different retirement ages for male and female judges, which the Commission claims is a breach of EU anti-discrimination law. The law would see female judges retire at 60 and males at 65. As a result, Timmermans gave Warsaw a one month ultimatum to alleviate its concerns over the rule of law before deciding on whether it would "escalate proceedings." Timmermans also said the approval of the remaining measures still undermined the independence of the country’s judges in defiance of EU law.

Brussels also sent a set of recommendations to Poland threatening that the country's voting rights could be suspended - under Article 7 of the EU treaty - if certain changes are implemented. Specifically, Polish authorities are warned not to take any measure to dismiss or force the retirement of Supreme Court judges.

“In this past week some things have changed in Poland and some have not”, said Mr Timmermans. Any move from Poland’s ruling Law And Justice Party (PiS) to force the resignation of the country’s judges would have the EU stand “immediately ready to trigger the Article 7 procedure”, added the commissioner. Invocation of Article 7 of the EU’s treaties would result in a formal warning to Warsaw – an unprecedented move that has yet to be taken against a member state government.

President Duda’s decision to block a portion of the reform bill followed mass public protests against the government’s attempt to take control of the judiciary. Of the two bills that have passed, one will hand power to Poland’s justice minister, who is also the prosecutor-general, to fire heads of the country’s lower courts. This bill has yet to be formally enacted, meaning the commission cannot start proceedings to challenge it in court. But Brussels can “pre-authorise” a challenge in the event that any of the bills is formally enacted during the commission’s summer break.

“The Commission’s hand is still extended to the Polish authorities, in the hope of a constructive dialogue”, added Mr Timmermans.

A quick overview of the EU's Article 7 procedure:

Article 7.1 of the Treaty on European Union provides for the Council, acting by a majority of four fifths of its members, to determine that there is a clear risk of a serious breach by a Member State of the common values referred to in Article 2 of the Treaty (see Annex II). The Commission can trigger this process by a reasoned proposal.



Annex II – Article 7 Treaty on European Union



1. On a reasoned proposal by one third of the Member States, by the European Parliament or by the European Commission, the Council, acting by a majority of four fifths of its members after obtaining the consent of the European Parliament, may determine that there is a clear risk of a serious breach by a Member State of the values referred to in Article 2. Before making such a determination, the Council shall hear the Member State in question and may address recommendations to it, acting in accordance with the same procedure.



The Council shall regularly verify that the grounds on which such a determination was made continue to apply.



2. The European Council, acting by unanimity on a proposal by one third of the Member States or by the Commission and after obtaining the consent of the European Parliament, may determine the existence of a serious and persistent breach by a Member State of the values referred to in Article 2, after inviting the Member State in question to submit its observations.



3. Where a determination under paragraph 2 has been made, the Council, acting by a qualified majority, may decide to suspend certain of the rights deriving from the application of the Treaties to the Member State in question, including the voting rights of the representative of the government of that Member State in the Council. In doing so, the Council shall take into account the possible consequences of such a suspension on the rights and obligations of natural and legal persons.



The obligations of the Member State in question under the Treaties shall in any case continue to be binding on that State.



4. The Council, acting by a qualified majority, may decide subsequently to vary or revoke measures taken under paragraph 3 in response to changes in the situation which led to their being imposed.



5. The voting arrangements applying to the European Parliament, the European Council and the Council for the purposes of this Article are laid down in Article 354 of the Treaty on the Functioning of the European Union.

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-0...le-7-procedure

European Commission acts to preserve the rule of law in Poland

http://europa.eu/rapid/press-release_IP-17-2161_en.htm

Listen up, Poland. Being a former Soviet Republic, you should understand how this works.

You are a sovereign nation in name only, OK? Your real government is Brussels, understand? It used to be Moscow, now it's Brussels.

You are actually a province of the EU, not a state with your own self rule. Get it?

Kind of like the "United States". They are sovereign states only on paper and in theory, they are not actually states, they are provinces of Washington, DC.

You are not free, Poland. This is not a voluntary association, you idiots. That was just a sales pitch. You now belong to us, the nationless, borderless, unelected corporate globalists.

Now behave, or the punishment will be severe....and just wait until we get our own EU Army to enforce our EU laws.
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Old 07-26-2017, 01:03 PM   #2
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Disgusting. The EU needs to die....
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Trying to coin a phrase. "Polexit" doesn't work.
What about "exitpole"?

Might be some buyers remorse in Poland today on joining the Eu.

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Just to be clear, my opinion on this has nothing to do with the internal politics of Poland....only on an amorphous international body threatening a sovereign state because of domestic politics.
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Yes, but to be clear, the EU model has, in some sense, tried to be a "United States of Europe".

As such, this is really no different than the US Federal Government telling a State what it can and cannot do.

One final comment. I am not making any argument in favor or opposed, to the EU or the Federal US government imposing their will on the "sub" states. I'm simply pointing out the similarity.
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As such, this is really no different than the US Federal Government telling a State what it can and cannot do.

One final comment. I am not making any argument in favor or opposed, to the EU or the Federal US government imposing their will on the "sub" states. I'm simply pointing out the similarity.
True, but I would point out that I am a 100% believer in the Bill of Rights being the supreme law of the land, and that includes the 10th Amendment.

I don't think we are better off as a nation having ignored the 10th amendment. I think the recent Marijuana, gay marriage, transgender bathroom, and Obamacare issues highlight that.
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It's sad the 10th amendment gets so little love. It's really a pretty brilliant idea to delegate power that way. You create almost 50 separate labrotories who get to do experiments on methods to govern.
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EU To Force Poland, Hungary And Czech Republic To Accept Refugees

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-0...ccept-refugees

You know...if I'm Britain, I'm looking at this as opportunity.....just sayin.
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You know...if I'm Britain, I'm looking at this as opportunity.....just sayin.
Screw Puerto Rico. Let's add 51st, 52nd and 53rd states in Eastern Europe.....

Never happen but oh would that be so fun to watch happen.*
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Screw Puerto Rico. Let's add 51st, 52nd and 53rd states in Eastern Europe.....

Never happen but oh would that be so fun to watch happen.*
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Maybe we can give Peurto Rico to the EU in the process! Great idea!

Of course...we would have to reorganize the IRS if we did that. Maybe we can give away the IRS along with Peurto Rico.
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19 European Countries Now Have Negative Interest Rates

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-0...interest-rates




Nothing to see here. Don't worry. Everyone is economically stabile and the Euro is totally viable long term.
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You know...if I'm Britain, I'm looking at this as opportunity.....just sayin.
If I'm Britain, I'm looking at my currency plummet, massive inflation and an aging workforce that can't cope without immigration.

Your takes on the EU are probably as LOL as they are because you rely on zerohedge to keep you WOKE.

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Nothing to see here. Don't worry. Everyone is economically stabile and the Euro is totally viable long term.
Switzerland isn't in the EU and doesn't use the Euro.
Edit: Slightly more constructive reply (though I don't think the table warrants it), Switzerland is a great example of how everyone's (including Baron's, I'm sure) fear that a negative interest rate would create a run on the banks is unfounded. It turns out that people are actually willing to pay a fee not to have their holdings in cash. The idea that subzero interest rates are: a) unsustainable and b) a sign of a poor economy is archaic. Now obviously there will be a limit to how much anyone is willing to pay to avoid cash, but as Switzerland illustrates -0.75% is absolutely not a problem.

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Your takes on the EU are probably as LOL as they are because you rely on zerohedge to keep you WOKE.

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Switzerland isn't in the EU and doesn't use the Euro.
Edit: Slightly more constructive reply (though I don't think the table warrants it), Switzerland is a great example of how everyone's (including Baron's, I'm sure) fear that a negative interest rate would create a run on the banks is unfounded. It turns out that people are actually willing to pay a fee not to have their holdings in cash. The idea that subzero interest rates are: a) unsustainable and b) a sign of a poor economy is archaic. Now obviously there will be a limit to how much anyone is willing to pay to avoid cash, but as Switzerland illustrates -0.75% is absolutely not a problem.
I'll put it simply.

Negative interest rates substitute savings and equity with massive credit bubbles.

To look around today and say "see, nothing wrong here, it's fine" is ignoring the fact that the deeper and longer you run negative interest rates, the larger the credit bubble, which your economy is presumably dependant on, gets, and the bigger the crash will be when it comes time to restore normalcy.

No currency will survive negative interest rates over the long term. Just as raising interest rates strengthens currency, lowering them weakens currency, and negative interest rates will ultimately destroy a currency.

Switzerland has a negative interest rate of almost 1%, and they don't use the Euro. That is correct. The reason why Switzerland is running negative interest rates is because the Swiss Franc is too strong, and the Swiss want to protect it from inflows of foreign capital, so their negative interest rate is for reasons completely different, opposite in fact, of the EU, and the fact that they're negative rate is so high is a testament to how much it takes to discourage capital fleeing from other markets looking for safe haven.
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