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Old 04-07-2017, 11:10 AM   #46
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‘Another Neo-Con puppet’: Trump’s former backers jump ship after Syria airstrike

https://www.rt.com/usa/383920-trump-...rike-reaction/

Good.

Fvck him, fvck the neocons, and fvck the neoliberals trying to start WW3. Fvck all of them.

Going to go buy some more ammunition this weekend to celebrate the coming war. Then, I'll review the Bug Out bags and keep them in the car.

Let's hope Russia has a cooler head than we do. We have a lot of troops in Syria just waiting to die in a retaliatory strike. We have a lot of pilots waiting to die from anti-aircraft fire.

I just sent the White House an email expressing my disappointment.

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By declaring you were gonna stay away from Assad he might have felt free to do what he wanted, and thereby upping his game. Not saying that happened, but it is possible.

It was however to much, so Trump had to avt, even though he said he wouldnt days earlier.

Informing the russians befor the air strike seems naive. Unless Trump wanted them to evacuate for some readon.
And Assad's motivation to launch such an attack, if he didn't think there would be consequences, is that it sends a message to the opposition.
"Look what I can do to you and the world doesn't care. Do you really want to continue to fight me?"
As for if Assad would worry about consequences, there haven't really been any for him since day one, so why would he think there would be any now?

IMHO, a major reason these strikes were launched was to send the message that "there's a new sheriff in town" and put the world on notice that the US is willing and able to flex it's military muscle again.

Maybe some other a-hat in the world will think twice about pulling some shit since they may get a Tomahawk up the wazoo if they do.

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The destroyers Ross and Porter together around 4:40 a.m. Friday local time fired 59 BGM-109 Tomahawk missiles.

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Of the Shayrat airbase targeted in the U.S. strike, Davis said, "This was a place prior to 2013 that was one of their main chemical weapons storage sites -- a lot of those sites were dismantled at the time as they were seeking to comply, but they were obviously using it again."

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Davis said Russian personnel at the Shayrat airfield were warned several times before the strikes began at 8:40 p.m. Eastern time and lasted only a few minutes. The barrage of cruise missiles also was aimed to avoid an area where Russian personnel were based, he said.

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The Tomahawk Land Attack Missiles, or TLAMs, targeted Syrian aircraft, hardened shelters, fuel and logistics depots, ammunition storage bunkers and air defense radars, Davis said. A detailed bomb damage assessment was underway but the spokesman said the initial estimate was that the strikes "severely damaged Syrian aircraft."

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Davis declined to disclose the surveillance techniques the U.S. employed to determine the that Shayrat airfield was the source of the chemical attack, but he said that U.S. intelligence tracked the Syrian warplane, believed to be a Sukhoi-22 "Fitter," a Soviet-era fighter-bomber that dropped the munitions containing the deadly agents.
So the airfield wasn't cratered, because it wasn't targeted.

The casualties were low because they launched the attack at 0 dark 40, and the areas targeted probably didn't have a lot of people there at that time.

regarding the suggestion that the Syrian's flew the planes out of the air base when we warned the Russians, that may be harder than you think.

To fly the plan it has to be fueled and you need a pilot.

They don't normally keep planes fueled so they'd have to put fuel in their tanks. They'd need to get a ground crew there to do that and they would all be asleep at 0 dark 40. So would the pilot who would have to get to the plane.

To get that to work, they'd need some amount of time, probably on the order of 1/2 hour, or more, depending on how good the crews are.

So if the warning only came 10 minutes or so before the missiles hit, that would only provide enough time for the people to take shelter and not enough time to fly them out of there.
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Assad's done numerous other chemical attacks, I think another since Trump became President. It could be that he (or his thug underlings, he may not personally direct every action) didn't realize that this one would end up with such good video and media coverage.

As for Trump, he likely just saw a PR opportunity and took it. It changes the headlines for him and helps counter the narrative that he's in bed with Putin. I'm not opposed to a gesture against the use of chemical weapons, but firing missiles at an airstrip is just that, a gesture. When Bill Clinton fired cruise missiles into Iraq or Sudan or Afghanistan it didn't change anything and the right had no problem saying that it was Wag the Dog.
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Assad's done numerous other chemical attacks, I think another since Trump became President. It could be that he (or his thug underlings, he may not personally direct every action) didn't realize that this one would end up with such good video and media coverage.

As for Trump, he likely just saw a PR opportunity and took it. It changes the headlines for him and helps counter the narrative that he's in bed with Putin. I'm not opposed to a gesture against the use of chemical weapons, but firing missiles at an airstrip is just that, a gesture. When Bill Clinton fired cruise missiles into Iraq or Sudan or Afghanistan it didn't change anything and the right had no problem saying that it was Wag the Dog.
I agree with this take. I do think it was a PR move and I am not opposed to it either. It is interesting how positive the reaction has been around the globe. We are a people that likes violence and the appearance of justice.
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Assad's done numerous other chemical attacks, I think another since Trump became President. It could be that he (or his thug underlings, he may not personally direct every action) didn't realize that this one would end up with such good video and media coverage.

As for Trump, he likely just saw a PR opportunity and took it. It changes the headlines for him and helps counter the narrative that he's in bed with Putin. I'm not opposed to a gesture against the use of chemical weapons, but firing missiles at an airstrip is just that, a gesture. When Bill Clinton fired cruise missiles into Iraq or Sudan or Afghanistan it didn't change anything and the right had no problem saying that it was Wag the Dog.
I agree that there have been numerous attacks, but where was there another attack since Trump was inaugurated?

This wiki page lists the various attacks that have been reported.

The last one prior to this most recent one was 11/25/16.

Or did I misunderstand your post.
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I am not a huge fan of Savage, but he crushes it on this one. He's smarter than your average American after all.

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Nigel Farage turns on ally Donald Trump after US missile strike on Syria

https://www.rt.com/uk/383866-farage-...l-trump-syria/

Looks like Trump lost the base that put him into office.

No choice now but to get fully on board the globalist "world government over national sovereignty" train if Trump wants to stay in power. Guess we got Hillary in office after all.



We all did.

...and.....Trump just gave the left legitimate grounds for impeachment proceedings. Not too smart.


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I am not a huge fan of Savage, but he crushes it on this one. He's smarter than your average American after all.

So you didn't claim this was a "false flag"?
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Nigel Farage turns on ally Donald Trump after US missile strike on Syria

https://www.rt.com/uk/383866-farage-...l-trump-syria/

Looks like Trump lost the base that put him into office.

No choice now but to get fully on board the globalist "world government over national sovereignty" train if Trump wants to stay in power. Guess we got Hillary in office after all.



We all did.

...and.....Trump just gave the left legitimate grounds for impeachment proceedings. Not too smart.

What "legitimate grounds" for impeachment?

Because he used military force without a declaration of war?

Please.

Do you know how many Presidents have used military force without a declaration of war using them being the "Commander in Chief" as a basis.

Wiki has a list of all US military actions here.

Only a slight percentage of them took place in wars declared by Congress and plenty of them took place after the War Powers act was passed.

So there is plenty of historical evidence to suggest that limited military action is allowable under the authority provided to the President as "Commander in Chief".

Oh and it's moot what the liberals may think on the question since an article of impeachment will never make it out of the House, for this action.

BTW, did any of those liberals seek to impeach Obama over Libya?

Did any on the right?

Sure there were complaints, but I don't recall anyone calling for impeachment.
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There were children murdered in Egypt and Sweden. Why is there such silence from the peanut gallery. Where are McCain and Graham or even Hillary Clinton. "Time will tell on their power minds, making war just for fun. Treating people just like pawns in chess, wait till their judgement day comes, yeah." Da da.....da da da....da.....da da
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There were children murdered in Egypt and Sweden. Why is there such silence from the peanut gallery. Where are McCain and Graham or even Hillary Clinton. "Time will tell on their power minds, making war just for fun. Treating people just like pawns in chess, wait till their judgement day comes, yeah." Da da.....da da da....da.....da da
Are you saying that any chidren got murdered in the Stockholm terror attack, or just that childeren were murdered in Sweden? I'm asking because the former would be relevant, but i'm unaware that it happened. As far as i know, two swedish, one belgian and one British adults were killed.

The terror attacks still get a large media coverage in Europe, but it has no doubt become less of a surprise. It is sadly almost as expected. It is the same(only less media coverage) with shootings in the US. The Ohio night club shooting a couple of weeks ago or the incident at a California School yesterday barely recieved footnotes. And by the attention it got on this forum i'm assuming it's more or less the same over there.
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There were children murdered in Egypt and Sweden. Why is there such silence from the peanut gallery. Where are McCain and Graham or even Hillary Clinton. "Time will tell on their power minds, making war just for fun. Treating people just like pawns in chess, wait till their judgement day comes, yeah." Da da.....da da da....da.....da da
Same reason why there was no outrage or dead babies on TV when we bombed the hospital in Mosul, which killed more than the Syria gas attack.

Same reason why noone cared about the terror attacks in Russia.

Because the media and government don't care about terror attacks or civilians, htey only care about the narrative that advances the agenda.
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What "legitimate grounds" for impeachment?

Because he used military force without a declaration of war?

Please.

Do you know how many Presidents have used military force without a declaration of war using them being the "Commander in Chief" as a basis.

Wiki has a list of all US military actions here.

Only a slight percentage of them took place in wars declared by Congress and plenty of them took place after the War Powers act was passed.

So there is plenty of historical evidence to suggest that limited military action is allowable under the authority provided to the President as "Commander in Chief".

Oh and it's moot what the liberals may think on the question since an article of impeachment will never make it out of the House, for this action.

BTW, did any of those liberals seek to impeach Obama over Libya?

Did any on the right?

Sure there were complaints, but I don't recall anyone calling for impeachment.
Yes.

And yes, Obama should have been impeached over Libya, despite the fact that he had nothing to do with it and didn't want to do it.

The Bay of Pigs was the last time the president had any control over military actions.

In my view, every military engagement conducted by any president, anywhere in the world outside of the US, is grounds for impeachment. My view is the Constitutional view.
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