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Old 04-06-2017, 02:07 PM   #16
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What's hilarious about all that is the only people replying to it are liberals. I guess when you live off the gov and don't have a job you have lots of time to make yourself look like an idiot.
Jesus, you're offensive. I'm a liberal and could buy and sell you and shut you down with my education fifty times over. Keep lumping us all together, you ass.

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Well this should be fun...

Trump weighing military options following chemical weapons attack in Syria
http://wapo.st/2o7gQQE

I'm not sure there's really a "good" option here. Just varying degrees of "less terrible."
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Trump weighing military options following chemical weapons attack in Syria
http://wapo.st/2o7gQQE

I'm not sure there's really a "good" option here. Just varying degrees of "less terrible."
Well, on the bright side, it's a whole lot better than invading North Korea.

It would appear the chemical attack had the desired effect. Score one for the "Let's get the US involved in another sand war" crowd.
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Jesus, you're offensive. I'm a liberal and could buy and sell you and shut you down with my education fifty times over. Keep lumping us all together, you ass.

But we all live off the government and have nothing but time on our hands. #Idiot
You can't do shit except tout your greatness on the internet like every other self absorbed pos liberal in this country. Nobody here gives 2 shits about your education or lack thereof.

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You can't do shit except tout your greatness on the internet like every other self absorbed pos liberal in this country. Nobody here gives 2 shits about your education or lack thereof.
And you are nothing but a condescending, insulting, annoying, self-important POS who thinks your staunch conservatism is better than everyone else.

Can't wait to watch your heros crash and burn. You're an a$$hole.
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And you are nothing but a condescending, insulting, annoying, self-important POS who thinks your staunch conservatism is better than everyone else.

Can't wait to watch your heros crash and burn. You're an a$$hole.
Take a good long hard look in the mirror because everyone of those names you called me, fit YOU to a T and i'm not the only one of that opinion.
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Old 04-06-2017, 06:09 PM   #22
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Well this should be fun...

Trump weighing military options following chemical weapons attack in Syria
http://wapo.st/2o7gQQE
I think you're reading far more into this than what the article says.

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OK the CinC is asking what his military options are.

Why shouldn't he ask that question?

More importantly, why shouldn't the fact that he's asking that question be public knowledge?

Does that mean he's actually leaning in that direction?

No.

If any President didn't get briefed on the military options, I'd have more of a concern.

I'm certain part of such a briefing is an analysis as to the risks and implications of any given option.

This is paramount to some news story talking about contingency plans being developed or modified for any given military action.

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I'm not sure there's really a "good" option here. Just varying degrees of "less terrible."
When is there ever a "good" option in foreign policy?

It's always a choice between "bad" and "worse".

To make things even more unpalatable, all Presidents have to make such choices with incomplete data of unknown quality.

The usual suspects love to chastise any given decision well after the fact when there appears to be more data known that wasn't available at the time the decision had to be made.

In addition, such analysis completely ignores the alternate outcomes that any given decision was trying to avoid i.e., the "worse choice".

Since that alternative never materialized, it is not considered germane.

Yet it is certainly possible that the choice made did make a significant contribution to avoiding that alternative.

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By the way, it is probably a mix of both....but mostly innocents.

Jabhat al Nusrah, later Jabhat al Sham, captured the Tekkim chemical plant in Syria years ago, and everywhere chemical attacks have occurred have been in places they dominate.

They also happen to be the representative arm of Saudi Arabia and Qatar in Syria, and the benefactors of American arms and funding by way of the same.

They are also the group that was in receipt of the weapons that were being funneled into Syria out of Libya because they controlled the ports.

So...I cannot say who conducted the chemical attacks, but I can say with certainty who benefits and who loses. The timing of the attack is a HUGE loss for Assad, who had just negotiated the "Assad can stay" policy from the White House....not 48 hours prior to the attack, in order to focus on ISIS.

Jabhat al Sham are not ISIS, they are al Qaeda...but if and when ISIS folds, they are next on Assad's hit list. They were about to lose everything, but one simple chemical attack blamed on Assad changes everything, just like Obama's "red line"....funny how these attacks have worked out that way.

EDIT: I wonder if this was what John McCain's recent visit was for?
Wow, the Baron claiming this is some sort of "false flag" operation.

I certainly didn't see that one coming.
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Well, to be fair, where McCain goes, calls for war follow. And on the homefront, the chorus will include Graham.
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Take a good long hard look in the mirror because everyone of those names you called me, fit YOU to a T and i'm not the only one of that opinion.
Oh, let me guess. The other condescending a$$hole around here?

STFU. THIS liberal has sat back and listened to you call us every name in the book, but you, sir, are about the most ignorant of them all.

Can't wait til that smug act of yours get torn apart. And it will. Only a matter of time.
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Actually I think you might be reading more into my post than I intended, which was a general lament of a shitty no-win solution.

I don't disagree with anything else you posted.
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And you are nothing but a condescending, insulting, annoying, self-important POS who thinks your staunch conservatism is better than everyone else.

Can't wait to watch your heros crash and burn. You're an a$$hole.

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Oh, let me guess. The other condescending a$$hole around here?

STFU. THIS liberal has sat back and listened to you call us every name in the book, but you, sir, are about the most ignorant of them all.

Can't wait til that smug act of yours get torn apart. And it will. Only a matter of time.


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Or maybe it wasn't me you were referring to and it was one of the others here that feel the same way we do about you?

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Meanwhile, in Syria...

http://www.latimes.com/politics/wash...htmlstory.html

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There can be no dispute that Syria used banned chemical weapons, violated its obligations under the Chemical Weapons Convention and ignored the urging of the U.N. Security Council,” Trump said in a three-minute statement to reporters late Thursday from his Mar-a-Lago retreat. “Tonight, I call on all civilized nations to join us in seeking to end the slaughter and bloodshed in Syria and also to end terrorism of all kinds and all types
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This should win Trump a lot of bipartisan cheers and approval from the Deep State propaganda services.
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I think you're reading far more into this than what the article says.



OK the CinC is asking what his military options are.

Why shouldn't he ask that question?

More importantly, why shouldn't the fact that he's asking that question be public knowledge?

Does that mean he's actually leaning in that direction?

No.

If any President didn't get briefed on the military options, I'd have more of a concern.

I'm certain part of such a briefing is an analysis as to the risks and implications of any given option.

This is paramount to some news story talking about contingency plans being developed or modified for any given military action.



When is there ever a "good" option in foreign policy?

It's always a choice between "bad" and "worse".

To make things even more unpalatable, all Presidents have to make such choices with incomplete data of unknown quality.

The usual suspects love to chastise any given decision well after the fact when there appears to be more data known that wasn't available at the time the decision had to be made.

In addition, such analysis completely ignores the alternate outcomes that any given decision was trying to avoid i.e., the "worse choice".

Since that alternative never materialized, it is not considered germane.

Yet it is certainly possible that the choice made did make a significant contribution to avoiding that alternative.

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Wow, the Baron claiming this is some sort of "false flag" operation.

I certainly didn't see that one coming.
I didn't say it was a false flag.

I can think of several possible culprits...al-Sham, Turkey, Israel, and Syria...and of them, Syria is by far the least likely, given that just within the last week Trump and Tillerson indicated Assad can stay. The other options all benefit.

Assad gains nothing whatsoever from a chemical attack on civilians, he only loses. Rationality and basic logic indicates that it is nearly impossible that Assad is responsible.

False facts, false reporting override rational and reasonable thinking in Americans...they can't think for themselves, they let the media and government think for them, so it doesn't matter.

You know...like it was absolutely certain the Iraq had WMD's, and Benghazi was about a Youtube video.

It has been legal for the intelligence services to propagandize Americans since 2012, so now it's not even illegal, it's policy.

Oh, and yes...where McCain goes, death follows very often.

McCain Institute strikes again.

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I didn't say it was a false flag.

I can think of several possible culprits...al-Sham, Turkey, Israel, and Syria...and of them, Syria is by far the least likely, given that just within the last week Trump and Tillerson indicated Assad can stay. The other options all benefit.

Assad gains nothing whatsoever from a chemical attack on civilians, he only loses. Rationality and basic logic indicates that it is nearly impossible that Assad is responsible.

False facts, false reporting override rational and reasonable thinking in Americans...they can't think for themselves, they let the media and government think for them, so it doesn't matter.

You know...like it was absolutely certain the Iraq had WMD's, and Benghazi was about a Youtube video.

It has been legal for the intelligence services to propagandize Americans since 2012, so now it's not even illegal, it's policy.

Oh, and yes...where McCain goes, death follows very often.

McCain Institute strikes again.
How about Russia as a possible culprit? That would make the most sense to me...

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