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Old 02-11-2017, 04:05 PM   #16
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You have a gambling problem, don't you?

I'll just let you sit tight and think about the gambling beating you took on election day.
It's only a problem if you can't afford it.
Given my election bet (lol sample size of 1), you should be happy to grab some action as offered, though.
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He should just stop all immigration for 2 years. Would that be legal and inclusive enough for everyone?
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Old 02-11-2017, 05:21 PM   #18
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Old 02-11-2017, 05:29 PM   #19
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He should just stop all immigration for 2 years. Would that be legal and inclusive enough for everyone?
What would the benefit be?
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Old 02-11-2017, 06:01 PM   #20
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When you bar people from predominantly muslim countries from entry and provide exclusions for people from minority religions, I am not sure what part of the actual wording suggests it's not a religiously motivated ban.

Especially given the context of Giulani's comments and Trump's campaign promises.
So is any muslim from a country other than those 7 affected by this order?

No.

Those 7 countries only make up about 12% of the world's Muslim population, so yeah, it's not a "Muslim ban"

Also, have you actually read the order?

There are two parts: banning foreign nationals from those 7 countries and stopping refugees.

The only exemption on the visa program is as follows.

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(g) Notwithstanding a suspension pursuant to subsection (c) of this section or pursuant to a Presidential proclamation described in subsection (e) of this section, the Secretaries of State and Homeland Security may, on a case-by-case basis, and when in the national interest, issue visas or other immigration benefits to nationals of countries for which visas and benefits are otherwise blocked.
Presumably this could be used to allow those who worked for the US in Afghanaistan, Iraq, etc. be granted Visa's.

It certainly doesn't state there is a religious basis for the case by case evaluation.

The refugee program affects all refugees.
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Sec. 5. Realignment of the U.S. Refugee Admissions Program for Fiscal Year 2017. (a) The Secretary of State shall suspend the U.S. Refugee Admissions Program (USRAP) for 120 days.
How can a total shutdown be considered a "Muslim ban"?

The religious minority criteria only applies to the refugee process.

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(b) Upon the resumption of USRAP admissions, the Secretary of State, in consultation with the Secretary of Homeland Security, is further directed to make changes, to the extent permitted by law, to prioritize refugee claims made by individuals on the basis of religious-based persecution, provided that the religion of the individual is a minority religion in the individual's country of nationality.
There is nothing here saying anything about any given religion, simply that the potential refugee must be a minority in the country they are from.

So if a German Muslim claimed persecution, then they could conceivably be granted refugee status under that rule.

So again, show me just what part of the written order actually is a "Muslim ban"?
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Old 02-11-2017, 06:28 PM   #21
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Old 02-11-2017, 09:32 PM   #22
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It's only a problem if you can't afford it.
Given my election bet (lol sample size of 1), you should be happy to grab some action as offered, though.
Thanks for the rep and the message.

You really lost $14,000 on the election? You say it is only a problem if you can't afford it?

Seriously? You lost $14k on an election and the proceed to offer to bet more against people here. For normal folks (whether we can afford it or not) this is a real problem.

Might I suggest you stop losing bets and just donate your money to a worthy cause. Do you know of any worthy causes? Lemme know if you need some to better utilize your abundant resources.

$14, 000 would sure go a long way for starving folks or people that need a roof over their heads.
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the administration has the ability to determine who may immigrate to this country, based on the executive branch foreign policy privileges. If the crazed left is going to create a discrimination action for every order the president submits, the only way around it is a complete stop to immigration. Then Trump and his team can take the time they need to put in the parameters for immigration. I would make it for all countries, not just the 7 he has called for so far. where was all the outrage when previous administrations were playing favorites with Mexican immigration. where was the outrage and lawsuits for wet foot/dry foot. This entire discussion is based on what. The President of the USA wants to stop immigration from a few countries for 3 months to review immigration procedures and Syria indefinitely. After watching what is happening in Europe and Scandinavian countries, what is the issue. This is exactly what the left complains about when they hold power. This time the right holds both houses and the oval office. Let us see if they can govern better than the left did in 09/10. Unfortunately it looks like Ryan and McConnell are on the obstruction train also. There are no winners just losers the american people.
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What would the benefit be?
Uh, if done effectively, NO terrorists, even the non-muslim ones?


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Thanks for the rep and the message.

You really lost $14,000 on the election? You say it is only a problem if you can't afford it?

Seriously? You lost $14k on an election and the proceed to offer to bet more against people here. For normal folks (whether we can afford it or not) this is a real problem.

Might I suggest you stop losing bets and just donate your money to a worthy cause. Do you know of any worthy causes? Lemme know if you need some to better utilize your abundant resources.

$14, 000 would sure go a long way for starving folks or people that need a roof over their heads.
Floyd Mayweather is laughing at this post, and he is right to do so.
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What would the benefit be?
It would make about 40% of white Americans cum in their pants?
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Floyd Mayweather is laughing at this post, and he is right to do so.
Floyd Mayweather isn't standing on his soapbox with his hands in my wallet telling us we are bad people for wanting to keep our hard earned money.

You ding-a-lings need to put the betting aside and just give the money to the government to be redistributed. To do otherwise makes you a hypocrite.

Or is the desire to gamble both more important than the needs of the poor and our own right to our earnings?

Just give it away man!
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Floyd Mayweather isn't standing on his soapbox with his hands in my wallet telling us we are bad people for wanting to keep our hard earned money.

You ding-a-lings need to put the betting aside and just give the money to the government to be redistributed. To do otherwise makes you a hypocrite.

Or is the desire to gamble both more important than the needs of the poor and our own right to our earnings?

Just give it away man!
WTF happened here? I think you are just joking, but just in case: Nobody is forcing you to either bet or give your money away. Noone has their hands down your pocket.

And the whole give-the-money-to-the-government-or-the-poor BS makes anyone a hypocrite. Everyone has a guilty pleassure. I don't know you, but you could serve on a soup kitchen instead of wasting your time on a message board.
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gubmint sure does...
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