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Old 05-28-2015, 07:41 AM   #1
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Pentagon Report Reveals US “Created” ISIS As A “Tool” in a Proxy War Against Assad

Confirmed Secret Pentagon Report Reveals US “Created” ISIS As A “Tool” in a Proxy War Against Assad
By Joshua Cook -
May 25, 2015


http://truthinmedia.com/confirmed-se...against-assad/








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http://www.judicialwatch.org/documen...tate-14-812-2/
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Jesus H ****ing Christ.

Did you even bother to read the god damn original report or are you so hell bent on your "US Government is Bad Um Kay" mantra that you simply accepted this twisted interpretation of what the frickin thing said?


Here is the whole god damn thing (Note edited to remove document ID stuff.)

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Country: (u) Iraq (irq).

The general situation:

A. Internally, events are taking a clear sectarian direction.

B. The Salafist, the Muslim brotherhood, and AQI are the major forces driving the insurgency in Syria.

C. The west, gulf countries, and turkey support the opposition, while Russia, China, and Iran support the regime.

E. The regimes priority is to concentrate its presence in areas along the coast (Tartus, and Latakia); however, it has not abandoned Homs because it controls the major transportation routes in Syria. The regime decreased its concentration in areas adjacent to the Iraqi borders (al Hasaka and Derzor).

3. (g) al Qaeda - Iraq (AQI:

A. AQI is familiar with Syria. AQI trained in Syria and then infiltrated into Iraq.

B. AQI supported the Syrian opposition from the beginning, both ideologically and through the media. AQI declared its opposition of Assad’s government because it considered it a sectarian regime targeting Sunnis.

C. AQI conducted a number of operations in several Syrian cities under the name of jaishal nusra (victorious army), one of its affiliates.

D. AQI, through the spokesman of the Islamic state of Iraq (ISI, Abu Muhammad al Adnani, declared the Syrian regime as the spearhead of what he is naming jibha al ruwafdh (forefront of the Shiites) because of its (the Syrian regime) declaration of war on the Sunnis. Additionally, he is calling on the Sunnis in Iraq, especially the tribes in the border regions (between Iraq and Syria), to wage war against the Syrian regime, regarding Syria as an infidel regime for its support to the infidel party Hezbollah, and other regimes he considers dissenters like Iran and Iraq.

E. AQI considers the Sunni issue in Iraq to be fatefully connected to the Sunni Arabs and Muslims.

4. (e) the borders:

A. The borders between Syria and Iraq stretch approximately 600km with complex terrain consisting of a vast desert, mountain ranges (sinjar mountains), joint rivers (flowing on both sides), and agricultural lands.

B. Iraq directly neighbors the Syrian provinces of hasaka and der zor, as well as (Syrian) cities adjacent to the Iraqi border.

C. The land on both sides between Iraq and Syria is a vast desert punctuated by valleys, and it lacks transportation routes, with the exception of the international highway and some major cities.

5. (e) the population living on the border:

A. The population living on the border has a social-tribal style, which is bound by strong tribal and familial marital ties.

B. Their sectarian affiliation unites the two sides when events happen in the region,

C. AQI had major pockets and bases on both sides of the border to facilitate the flow of materiel and recruits.

D. There was a regression of AQI in the western provinces of Iraq during the years of 2009 and 2010; however, after the rise of the insurgency in Syria, the religious and tribal powers in the regions began to sympathize with the sectarian uprising. This (sympathy) appeared in Friday prayer sermons, which called for volunteers to support the Sunnis in Syria.

6. (e) the situation on the Iraqi and Syrian border:

A. Three border BDES are sufficient to control the borders during peace time for observation duties and to prevent smuggling and infiltration.

C. In previous years a majority of AQI fighters entered Iraq primarily via the Syrian border.

6) The future assumptions of the crisis:

A. The regime will survive and have control over Syrian territory.

8. (e) the effects on Iraq:

A. Syrian regime border forces retreated from the border and the opposition forces (Syrian free army) took over the posts and raised their flag, the Iraqi border guard forces are facing a border with Syria that is not guarded by official elements which presents a dangerous and serious threat.

B. The opposition forces will try to use the Iraqi territory as a safe haven for its forces taking advantage of the sympathy of the Iraqi border population, meanwhile trying to recruit fighters and train them on the Iraqi side, in addition to harboring refugees (Syria).

C. If the situation unravels there is the possibility of establishing a declared or undeclared Salafist principality in eastern Syria (Hasaka and Derzor, and this is exactly what the supporting powers to the opposition want, in order to isolate the Syrian regime, which is considered the strategic depth of the Shia expansion (Iraq and Iran.

D. The deterioration of the situation has dire consequences on the Iraqi situation and are as follows:

--1. This creates the ideal atmosphere for Aqito return to its old pockets in Mosul and Ramadi, and will provide a renewed momentum under the presumption of unifying the jihad among Sunni Iraq and Syria, and the rest of the Sunnis in the Arab world against what it considers one enemy. The dissenters. Isi could also declare an Islamic state through its union with other terrorist organizations in Iraq and Syria, which will create grave danger in regards to unifying Iraq and the protection of its territory.

--3. The renewing facilitation of terrorist elements from all over the Arab world entering into Iraqi arena.
So please tell me just where exactly does this document state that the US "created" ISIS?

Oh while you're at it your truth in media" website had this to say in your link.

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Truth In Media questioned 2 years ago why the U.S. and our allies were financing ISIS in Iraq and arming so-called “moderate rebels” in Syria.
They linked to an article that allegedly demonstrated this claim.

Here it is in its entirety.

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Why are America’s Allies funding ISIS in Iraq?

The Islamic State of Iraq and Syria (ISIS), which is currently storming its way through Iraq, was funded for years by rich donors from our supposed allies in Kuwait, Qatar and Saudi Arabia.

According to The Daily Beast, Kuwait’s involvement is an ironic twist since back in 1990, the U.S. attacked Iraq in order to liberate Kuwait from Saddam Hussein’s clutches. Now Kuwait is helping the rise of his successors.

As ISIS takes over town after town in Iraq, they are acquiring money and supplies including American-made vehicles, arms and ammunition. The group reportedly scored $430 million when they looted the main bank in Mosul.

“Everybody knows the money is going through Kuwait and that it’s coming from the Arab Gulf,” said Andrew Tabler, senior fellow at the Washington Institute for Near East Policy. “Kuwait’s banking system and its money changers have long been a huge problem because they are a major conduit for money to extremist groups in Syria and now Iraq.”

Donors in Kuwait, the Sunni majority Kingdom on Iraq’s border, have taken advantage of Kuwait’s weak financial rules to channel hundreds of millions of dollars to a host of Syrian rebel brigades, according to a December 2013 report by The Brookings Institution, a Washington think tank that receives some funding from the Qatari government.

ISIS formed in April 2013 out of al-Qaeda in Iraq and an affiliate in Syria.

According to the Telegraph, ISIS has gained most of its financing from smuggling, extortion and other crime.

There is an apparent paradigm shift occurring in the U.S. regarding its foreign policy.

Congressman Mick Mulvaney made this statement on Facebook: “As I said in the Facebook town hall meeting Monday night, my immediate reaction is that getting involved in what is essentially a religious civil war (Shia v. Sunni) sounds like a really bad idea.”

Senator Rand Paul in his recent op-ed said, “Today the Middle East is less stable than in 2003. The Iraq war strengthened Iran’s influence in Iraq and throughout the Middle East. Sunni extremists backed by Saudi Arabia, Kuwait and Qatar have filled the vacuum. The Islamic State of Iraq and Syria (ISIS) has taken over the cities of Mosul, Tikrit and is on the march to Baghdad.”

“This administration, through bad decision-making that I specifically warned against, has already indirectly aided al Qaeda and ISIS in Syria—the very group some now propose to counter with U.S. troops,” he added.

Paul continued, “For the small group calling for boots on the ground—how can we ask our brave men and women to risk their lives for a country the Iraqis aren’t willing to fight for themselves? Iraqi soldiers are stripping off their uniforms and fleeing this fight. We shouldn’t ask our soldiers to put their uniforms on to take their places.”
So just how the hell does this article support the claim that the US is "financing" ISIS?
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Old 05-29-2015, 11:14 AM   #3
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I read the documents, and they show precisely what the title says they do.

Even moreso with the FOIA released documents recently confirming arms shipments from Benghazi to Syria.

I stand by the reports and the documents being 100% accurate and unambiguous, without any speculation required.

Your hysteria is quite amusing, though.
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“THE WEST, GULF COUNTRIES, AND TURKEY SUPPORT THE OPPOSITION… THERE IS THE POSSIBILITY OF ESTABLISHING A DECLARED OR UNDECLARED SALAFIST PRINCIPALITY IN EASTERN SYRIA (HASAKA AND DER ZOR), AND THIS IS EXACTLY WHAT THE SUPPORTING POWERS TO THE OPPOSITION WANT, IN ORDER TO ISOLATE THE SYRIAN REGIME…”.


Maybe my reading comprehension is faulty, and this doesn't say what I think it says....
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“THE WEST, GULF COUNTRIES, AND TURKEY SUPPORT THE OPPOSITION… THERE IS THE POSSIBILITY OF ESTABLISHING A DECLARED OR UNDECLARED SALAFIST PRINCIPALITY IN EASTERN SYRIA (HASAKA AND DER ZOR), AND THIS IS EXACTLY WHAT THE SUPPORTING POWERS TO THE OPPOSITION WANT, IN ORDER TO ISOLATE THE SYRIAN REGIME…”.


Maybe my reading comprehension is faulty, and this doesn't say what I think it says....


They created Al Qaeda, ISIS certainly wouldn't be a stretch by any means.
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Maybe my reading comprehension is faulty, and this doesn't say what I think it says....
Is your name really Ted Wells?

If you read the whole report, it is clearly an Intelligence assessment of what's going on.

Let me break it down for you since you seem incapable of getting past your "America's bad M'Kay" mind set.


C. The west, gulf countries, and turkey support the opposition, while Russia, China, and Iran support the regime.
What is the "opposition" in Syria. Is it exclusively ISIS?

No, there are multiple groups and not everyone listed there supports every single group to the same degree or extent.

The "gulf countries and Turkey" clearly are not the US.

"The West" includes Europe.

So no, nowhere in that statement does it make any claim that the US "created" or "supports" ISIS. The fact that we do offer support to other opposition groups says absolutely squat about what we may or may not do regarding ISIS.
C. If the situation unravels there is the possibility of establishing a declared or undeclared Salafist principality in eastern Syria (Hasaka and Derzor, and this is exactly what the supporting powers to the opposition want, in order to isolate the Syrian regime, which is considered the strategic depth of the Shia expansion (Iraq and Iran.
So just who are the supporting powers" referred to here?

If it is the US, why didn’t they say "this is exactly what WE want".

IMHO, the "Supporting powers" refers to other Suni muslim countriues in the region. From their perspective, this is a proxy war against Iran, and anything that offsets Iran, Shiites, or their allies (i.e., Assad) is a good thing.

Are you suggesting that the US, Europe (i.e., The west), the gulf nations, and Turkey are 100% united on the creation of ISIS?

After all that's who the "supporting powers" are that you cited initially.

If it is all of those countries, then just how exactly do you claim that the "US created" ISIS?

How come Europe, Turkey and the Gulf Nations don't get to share the "glory"?
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So pathetic, it's actually funny........and this is the THIRD go round of arming and equipping "moderates". I wonder if THESE ones got their picture taken with John McCain, too?

Those Shiny Toyota pickups are probably getting a bit worn down and old now....so they needed new ones, and got them, care of the US taxpayer!

Another Rebel Division Trained by Obama Joins Al-Qaeda
Thursday, 24 September 2015

After two months of U.S. military training in Turkey from the Obama administration's Pentagon, the first group of 70 “moderate” Syrian rebels crossed into Syria this week — and promptly handed all of their U.S. weapons and equipment to al-Qaeda's local affiliate known as Jabhat al-Nusra. Citing a “raft of sources,” the U.K. Telegraph reported that Obama's latest batch of “moderate” rebels, dubbed “Division 30,” immediately “betrayed” their U.S. government backers upon re-entering Syria. While the embarrassing situation is being framed in most of the press as an “accident” or blunder of some sort, it is hardly the first time, and recent calls by senior U.S. globalists to form an alliance with al-Qaeda in Syria might offer a more plausible explanation. Either way, critics say it has become beyond clear that Obama's supposed strategy in Syria is in reality a recipe for even more death and destruction.

Among other sources confirming the transfer of those American weapons from U.S.-backed “rebels” to al-Qaeda was the terrorist group itself, which the U.S. government spent trillions of dollars fighting around the world under the guise of its “war on terror.” “A strong slap for America,” boasted a spokesman for Jabhat al-Nusra calling himself “Abu Fahd al-Tunisi” in a Twitter message to the world. “The new group from Division 30 that entered yesterday hands over all of its weapons to Jabhat al-Nusra after being granted safe passage.... They handed over a very large amount of ammunition and medium weaponry and a number of pick-ups.” According to the British paper, Division 30 was the “first faction whose fighters graduated from a US-led training program in Turkey which aims to forge a force on the ground in Syria.”

Another al-Qaeda source commenting on the reported mass defection, Abu Khattab al-Maqdisi, said publicly that the U.S.-trained commander of Division 30, Anas Ibrahim Obaid, had told Jabhat al-Nusra leaders that he “tricked” the “anti-ISIS” coalition because he needed weapons for jihad. “He promised to issue a statement repudiating Division 30, the coalition, and those who trained him,” al-Maqdisi was quoted as saying on Twitter by the U.K. newspaper. “And he also gave a large amount of weapons to Jabhat al-Nusra.” A handful of conflicting news reports have suggested Obama's “rebels” may have actually been captured and forced into surrendering their U.S. military equipment to al-Qaeda. However, public statements by the rebels themselves and al-Qaeda would seem to support the claim that the U.S.-trained force did in fact “betray” its benefactors in Washington.

Indeed, the day before the Telegraph exposed Division 30's handover of weapons to al-Qaeda, various media outlets were reporting that the chief of staff for the U.S.-trained “rebel” group had publicly resigned with a letter posted on social media. “I, the undersigned Colonel Mohammed Daher (Abu Hussam) Chief of Staff of the 30th Brigade, announce my withdrawal from the 30th Brigade for the following reasons,” he wrote. Among other reasons cited, he pointed to the “lack of accuracy and methodology in the selection of teams of the 30th Brigade,” and the “heterogeneity in the ideas of the trainees to achieve the objective on which the 30th brigade was created.” He also said the Obama administration's effort lacked seriousness, and that there was no census numbers of “brigade” members on the ground.

Perhaps the Obama administration was following recent advice provided by disgraced General David Petraeus, the retired Army general and former CIA boss who now spends much of his time shilling for a North American Union. According to various media reports, Petraeus, who once led the supposed “terror war” against al-Qaeda, is now advocating an open alliance between the U.S. government and the terrorist group to allegedly battle the Islamic State, itself a product of globalist scheming in the Middle East. “The former commander of U.S. forces in Iraq and Afghanistan has been quietly urging U.S. officials to consider using so-called moderate members of al Qaeda’s Nusra Front to fight ISIS in Syria,” reported the left-wing online outlet Daily Beast, citing “four sources familiar with the conversations, including one person who spoke to Petraeus directly.”

Yet, despite being so utterly ridiculous as to smack of criminal insanity or even treason, “Petraeus and his plan cannot be written off,” the Daily Beast continued. “He still wields considerable influence with current officials, U.S. lawmakers, and foreign leaders. The fact that he feels comfortable recruiting defectors from an organization that has declared war on the United States underscores the tenuous nature of the Obama administration’s strategy to fight ISIS, which numerous observers have said is floundering in search of a viable ground force.”

Of course, as The New American has been reporting for years, and as numerous top Western officials have openly admitted, the U.S. government was directly involved in creating al-Qaeda. In Syria and in Libya, the Obama administration also provided direct aid to self-declared al-Qaeda leaders — some of whom were openly boasting of their terrorist credentials in the Western press as NATO provided air cover for them under a United Nations resolution.

It could all just be part of the globalist plan. A recently uncovered secret U.S. diplomatic cable from then-acting Deputy U.S. Chief of Mission in Syria William Roebuck reveals an extremist plan to undermine the Syrian dictatorship. Among other controversial tactics, the decade-old cable shows a U.S. government scheme to “exploit” various “extremist groups” and “Islamist extremists,” as well as intra-Islamic tensions, to destabilize the regime of Bashar al Assad. In “possible actions,” the U.S. cable also proposed that Washington, D.C., “publicize Syrian efforts against extremist groups in a way that suggests weakness, signs of instability, and uncontrolled blowback.” Tragically, the “blowback” from globalist U.S. policymakers' scheming has now produced fruit: hundreds of thousands of deaths, millions of people displaced, an ongoing genocide of Christians, the emergence of savage terrorism, a tidal wave of refugees flooding into Europe, and much more.

When it comes to ISIS, the situation is similar. A recently released 2012 report from the U.S. Defense Intelligence Agency (DIA), for example, revealed that the Obama administration, European governments, and their Islamist allies in the war on Syrian dictator Bashar al-Assad knew from the start that the rebellion was being led by al-Qaeda and other forces — yet they supported it anyway. The same document also revealed a plan to create a radical Islamic State in Eastern Syria, today known to the world as ISIS. “The West, Gulf countries [the Islamic regimes ruling Saudi Arabia, Qatar, United Arab Emirates, etc.], and Turkey support the Syrian opposition,” the document explains, adding that al-Qaeda and other terrorists are the “major forces driving the insurgency” against the Syrian despot. “There is the possibility of establishing a declared or undeclared Salafist [fundamentalist Islam] principality in Eastern Syria (Hasaka and Der Zor), and this is exactly what the supporting powers to the opposition want, in order to isolate the Syrian regime.” (Emphasis added.) It is also exactly what they got when ISIS declared the establishment of its "caliphate."

The latest news on Obama's newest rebels defecting to al-Qaeda with their U.S. weapons follows numerous similar reports of U.S.-backed rebels joining forces with ISIS and al-Qaeda. It also comes just a week after another news report exposed the fact that a top military commander for the Islamic State was trained by U.S. Special Forces in the nation of Georgia. The same ISIS leader, Tarkhan Batirashvili a.ka. Abu Omar al Shishani, was radicalized in a mosque funded by the Islamist dictatorship ruling Saudi Arabia, a key member of Obama's “anti-ISIS” coalition. None of that, though, should be surprising, considering the fact that multiple senior U.S. officials — from Vice President Joe Biden to Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff Martin Dempsey — have already publicly exposed the fact that Obama's “anti-ISIS” coalition largely built, financed, armed, and trained ISIS.

In other words, Obama's alleged strategy to “degrade” ISIS appears more like a strategy aimed at annihilating Syria, fomenting bloodshed and terrorism, exterminating Christians, and advancing various globalist agendas. By remaining silent on these crimes of apocalyptic proportions, American taxpayers funding it all make themselves indirectly complicit. It is time for Congress to cut off the funds for the White House's deadly scheming, and to launch serious investigations into every element of Obama's lawless machinations in Libya, Syria, Iraq, and beyond. Anything less will make Congress just as complicit as Obama and the globalist establishment in the tragedy now unfolding across the Middle East.

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This will be quite long.

It is very important that people begin to understand the importance of an open mind on issues such as this.

If there were, for any moment, reasons to assume that everything the media reports is 100% truth, 2015 holds 0. There is no such thing as unbiased and truthful 98% of the time. This pertains to all national reporting media and secondary sources alike.

In order to find truth, you have to, first and foremost, care. The next thing you have to be willing to do is accept the truth although it may not strum on the chords of feel good emotion or align with your preferable notion. After you meet those two requirements, then you have to be willing to search. Everywhere. Then you can begin to separate truth from fiction.

The mistakes that many people often make, is that they go into any report with a preconceived opinion. This could be because of many reasons. That is the absolute worst way to go into anything. I still do it from time to time.

The fact of the matter is, this issue among many more, are routinely scripted when divulged to the public. Why wouldn't they be? There is money and power involved with the public perception. In order to retain power and status, you have to retain the public. In order to retain the public, you have to allow them to be persuaded in a way that corresponds with the perception you deem necessary. That is the only way this stuff works.

What is easier than persuading millions and millions of people to perceive something the way you'd have them perceive it? Confuse them. Harness the human desire for conflict and competition. Red team versus blue team. "Good" versus "bad". Play on opinion. Make one opinion good, one opinion bad. Make one sex good, one sex bad. Make one color good, one color bad. It's a classic game. A game the has gone on as far back as history has been reported. It is the easiest way for anyone to control another; get them emotionally invested and interested in being right and proving another wrong.

It's easier now, of course. With all the technology which puts everything and anything just a mouse click or podcast away from everyone. Have a question about something? Go to Google, click the first result and bam, problem solved, question answered (most of the time, its wrong.)

As my username implies, yes, I am a Marine. I've been out for almost 8 years now. I am still in constant contact with a lot of those I served with. We are constantly having discussions such as this. Believe it or not, we are all well aware of things that ended up NOT being what they were initially announced to be. It is what it is. Please do not thank me, I did nothing. Thank the guys in the wheel chairs, walkers and such that appear old and tattered. Just smile and say thanks. That is all they could need to change their minds about life.

I think it is very important that people understand what I am saying here. I am not talking down to anyone. We are all human and find it best to roll with whats comfortable. From the kinds of clothes we wear to the television we watch. Everyone wants to be content in their bubble that they've constructed over the course of their life. But, that's not reality. The sooner we can all understand that, the better.

When you listen to Alex Jones, Haggman and Haggman, Fox News, CNN, The Colbert Report (off air I believe), The Jon Stewert show, you MUST ALWAYS cross check them for accuracy. That is a must. Must. Must. Must. I cannot say it enough, it is a must. Pay attention to what is reported outside the United States. Compare, contrast and connect dots. It takes a little bit of time and you have to want to know.

Don't dismiss something just because it doesn't line up with what you'd like to believe. Because, what you believe may or may not be true. Keep things in context. Read it all. Listen to it all. A speech? Yeah, listen to the context. Don't just assume that little snipit you shared on Facebook is the entire story. Find out whether or not its true and before you share anything, be sure it is true. Facebook is a harbor for false revelations.

I'm pretty much done, I suppose. Just remember that money controls more than just your style of life. It controls much, much more. Money and power are the most sought after resources on this planet. You best believe people will lie to you to get it..
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It is very important that people begin to understand the importance of an open mind on issues such as this.

If there were, for any moment, reasons to assume that everything the media reports is 100% truth, 2015 holds 0. There is no such thing as unbiased and truthful 98% of the time. This pertains to all national reporting media and secondary sources alike.

In order to find truth, you have to, first and foremost, care. The next thing you have to be willing to do is accept the truth although it may not strum on the chords of feel good emotion or align with your preferable notion. After you meet those two requirements, then you have to be willing to search. Everywhere. Then you can begin to separate truth from fiction.

The mistakes that many people often make, is that they go into any report with a preconceived opinion. This could be because of many reasons. That is the absolute worst way to go into anything. I still do it from time to time.

The fact of the matter is, this issue among many more, are routinely scripted when divulged to the public. Why wouldn't they be? There is money and power involved with the public perception. In order to retain power and status, you have to retain the public. In order to retain the public, you have to allow them to be persuaded in a way that corresponds with the perception you deem necessary. That is the only way this stuff works.

What is easier than persuading millions and millions of people to perceive something the way you'd have them perceive it? Confuse them. Harness the human desire for conflict and competition. Red team versus blue team. "Good" versus "bad". Play on opinion. Make one opinion good, one opinion bad. Make one sex good, one sex bad. Make one color good, one color bad. It's a classic game. A game the has gone on as far back as history has been reported. It is the easiest way for anyone to control another; get them emotionally invested and interested in being right and proving another wrong.

It's easier now, of course. With all the technology which puts everything and anything just a mouse click or podcast away from everyone. Have a question about something? Go to Google, click the first result and bam, problem solved, question answered (most of the time, its wrong.)

As my username implies, yes, I am a Marine. I've been out for almost 8 years now. I am still in constant contact with a lot of those I served with. We are constantly having discussions such as this. Believe it or not, we are all well aware of things that ended up NOT being what they were initially announced to be. It is what it is. Please do not thank me, I did nothing. Thank the guys in the wheel chairs, walkers and such that appear old and tattered. Just smile and say thanks. That is all they could need to change their minds about life.

I think it is very important that people understand what I am saying here. I am not talking down to anyone. We are all human and find it best to roll with whats comfortable. From the kinds of clothes we wear to the television we watch. Everyone wants to be content in their bubble that they've constructed over the course of their life. But, that's not reality. The sooner we can all understand that, the better.

When you listen to Alex Jones, Haggman and Haggman, Fox News, CNN, The Colbert Report (off air I believe), The Jon Stewert show, you MUST ALWAYS cross check them for accuracy. That is a must. Must. Must. Must. I cannot say it enough, it is a must. Pay attention to what is reported outside the United States. Compare, contrast and connect dots. It takes a little bit of time and you have to want to know.

Don't dismiss something just because it doesn't line up with what you'd like to believe. Because, what you believe may or may not be true. Keep things in context. Read it all. Listen to it all. A speech? Yeah, listen to the context. Don't just assume that little snipit you shared on Facebook is the entire story. Find out whether or not its true and before you share anything, be sure it is true. Facebook is a harbor for false revelations.

I'm pretty much done, I suppose. Just remember that money controls more than just your style of life. It controls much, much more. Money and power are the most sought after resources on this planet. You best believe people will lie to you to get it..
Use logic and skepticism to vet sources of reports, instead of having a knee jerk reaction?

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Man, you're not gonna last long here.
I've lasted almost a week and nobody has kicked this Buffalo fan to the curb yet. To be honest, this is a much friendlier place then I had imagined.

(see, I was objective enough to come see why my name was being used and found a place that didn't match my preconceived notions hahahaha)

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I fully endorse anyone cross checking my posts.

Noone does, of course. They just basically state that any news not from the mainstream media is propaganda....in a much more wordy way. Basically, if Fox or CNN don't make a report about it, it never happened.

But please, feel free to cross check any news articles I post.
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I've lasted almost a week and nobody has kicked this Buffalo fan to the curb yet. To be honest, this is a much friendlier place then I had imagined.

(see, I was objective enough to come see why my name was being used and found a place that didn't match my preconceived notions hahahaha)

Seriously though, it is very important not to knee jerk.
I imagine you were expecting a forum full of liberal leftists from Marxachusetts....lol.

Truth is, they come and go. There are a few here, that can handle an honest debate or discussion, but most lose their minds when someone disagrees or counters their points successfully, because liberals tend to be inseparably attached emotionally to their causes, and an attack on some political view of theirs is considered an attack on them personally, and they get really offended, angry, and personal.

Right wingers tend to be more accepting of challenging their views and opinions, in general, and don't take it as a personal insult.

Myself, I'm hard core libertarian, I don't care for either points of view. I am a former Limbaugh conservative, though.....until I figured out that the whole right wing-left wing thing is a dog and pony show....the modern version of bread and circus.
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