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Old 03-31-2015, 06:30 PM   #31
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This is a look at the best Hitch-Seam the Pats have ever run in terms of explosiveness. A 99 yard TD by a Seam route on a quick pass is tough to top. This was Brady to Welker against the Dolphins in Miami 2011. The Fins are in man Free which they’re trying to disguise. Brady and Welker are too savvy to be fooled however. The MOF Safety and the inside aligned CB are dead giveaways. The Fins’ man defender gets a late jump from his disguised alignment and finds himself in a trail position on Welk. The Free Safety takes a terrible angle and it’s off to the races. This was a mirrored Hitch-Seam where the defender man up on Welk was in terrible pre-snap position compared to the other Slot. Brady probably knew pre-snap he was going to Welker here.

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This is the most infamous Hitch-Seam combo the Pats have ever run so I figured I should include it. This was a mirrored Hitch-Seam Read. The Giants’ Safety is out of position here which Welk and Brady both noticed. The Slot did not trail and the Safety did not move off the spot to take away the Seam. This really isn’t much different than what we saw from Tim Wright against the Bengals. The Hitch was covered, the Seam was not. Brady made the right decision but a poor throw. I’ve heard a hundred times that Brady put the ball where he did to keep Welker from getting lit up by the Safety. I’m not seeing where the Safety has the angle to light anyone up. It’s more likely that the mis-aligned Safety gave Brady a funky sight picture and he wasn’t smooth with either his read or timing as he wasn’t sure what Welker was going to do so he was off target. Simple as that.





I’ll take a look at the Slant-Slide concept next which is one the Pats believe in and made frequent use of last year.
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Sticky it? I'm gonna print it up and turn it into a book called Patriots Pass Offense For Dummies, which we all clearly are, left flailing in AWTE's wake.

Btw, I haven't even begun to wade through this, but I most assurely will tomorrow.

And there had better be plenty of diagrams with red and yellow lines through them.

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An unbelievable amount of effort went into these so a huge shout out of appreciation to you, AWTE. These are beautifully organized and detailed to be (somewhat) understandable by me. You really drive home the idea of the different concepts building off each other to put immense pressure on defenses.

BTW, I think I should make "smarts" my #1 requirement for WRs.
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Slant-Slide

The Slant-Slide has been a quick passing game staple on every level of football for decades. It was made popular after Bill Walsh featured it in his San Fran days. It is used as a 2 man combination and a 3 man combination and the Slant itself is often singled up. Its basic form is an outside receiver running a Slant while an inside receiver runs the Slide which is a Flat route. It’s often packaged with different concepts as well as mirrored.

The basic progression is to read is Flat (Slide route) to Slant. You can Key read the Flat defender and throw opposite his reaction as well. This concept can be run against any coverage but adjustments need to be made and leverage is important.

We’ll take a look at a bunch of Slant-Slides against a lot of looks. The CB is only a mild consideration in soft zones as route running should get the Slant open. The consideration is the Flat defender to the danger player aligned inside the Flat defender. The QB has to throw to whichever route the Flat defender doesn’t threaten when in Zone coverage. The danger player is the second level guy, usually a LB, who can drop and get under the Slant to take the ball away. Timing is critical. Against man the Slant-Slide becomes a match-up situation/danger player situation.

The receiver & QB must read the coverage and adjust the routes and ball placement. There are times a slow release is advantageous. The Pats also do a few things to get the Slide open vs man coverage that we’ll look at. We’ll also see what they did to handle Seattle’s great LBs who can get under Slants like no one’s business.

The pics below show the concept being run against the Bengals in the RZ. On this particular play the Pats were originally set up with two attached TEs and Edelman aligned in the right slot creating a 3x1 Trey formation. Brady saw the dual safety look and killed the play call changing it up to a mirrored Slant-Slide as drawn up. Gronk shifted wide then Edelman motioned left giving little chance for the Bengals to switch up coverage. They are in zone. The backer who had to cover Edelman tried to switch up but didn’t have the time and got beat for a short gain. There was no true danger player as the single ILB had to drop to the low middle. Brady went with the sure thing here. A throw to Gronk against that low dual Safety was dangerous. The CB allowed Gronk to go inside as he was pattern reading and got involved in the tackle on the Slide. This is one of the tougher defensive configurations to throw this concept against. The Pats will still use it as they feel they can steal yards. This ended up a four yard gain on 2nd & 3.

When you look at the second pic you can see Gronk with position on the LB who is trying to cover Edelman. He is in great position to set a pick here if it was called for. You have to be careful with that though as the league was flagging those pics last year as we all saw with LaFell more than a few times. The spot is beyond the legal pick zone and the receiver is running directly at the defender making it a trick pick. Brady clearly focused right in on Edelman here as his first read. The plan was to get Edelman open for the first down. There is a mirrored Slant-Slide being executed at the top of the screen that Brady could have worked if the defensive alignment was advantageous.
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This is a nice look at the concept as mirrored against the Jets. The Jets rolled into a single high coverage here. Brady worked the side to LaFell & Gronk. Here Gronk is running the Slide where earlier we saw him run the Slant. Brady likes the soft CB & slot defender lined up to his right. The slot defender takes a step back on the snap which is all Brady needs to see to fire the ball to Gronk looking for a few easy yards. Brady pretty much knew pre-snap he was going to Gronk here as the Slot defender was positioned to take away the Slant on the Snap but weak against the Slide due to the high Safety look and his alignment. Brady’s choice was the correct one but unfortunately the throw was off the mark. This concept is a death by a thousand cuts kind of deal where the defense can defend the Slant for certain but run the risk of a bunch of small painful completions as drive starters or drive converters. If they commit to taking away the Slide the Slant can cause real damage.
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This is a Slant-Slide Packaged with a Stick from 2x2. Brady needs to find the best concept to work pre-snap. Brady likes the clear 2 on 2 he’s getting with the LaFell-Dola Slant-Slide over the potential 2 on 3 Stick with the added issue of a hard cover CB up on Edelman to the Stick slide. With the ILB aligned over the ball there is no true danger player if this play times well. This was a three man rush. Both EOL guys play coverage. The OLB aligned on Gronk is in better position to get involved on the Stick than the other OLB is on the Slant-Slide. The second pic shows Brady’s read. The Flat defender “hangs” and widens rather than drives on the Slide. It’s an easy read for the QB. Now LaFell is driving his route right at the read and is looking to pick him off to give Dola the first down. Unfortunately, it’s clear in pic 3 that LaFell made contact and pretty much blocked the Flat defender before Dola secured the catch and was flagged. If you knock the DB’s helmet off and leave him laid out unconscious on the ground you’re most likely getting flagged. LaFell should have settled or gotten out of the defender’s way. Dola would have picked up the first regardless. Like we said in the other thread, LaFell isn’t much of a pick setter.
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This is another look at a Slant-Slide as packaged with Stick from a different formation. The Pats motion Edelman to gain an edge with LaFell running the Slant. The Chiefs do something we haven’t seen before inverting their Safeties to the motion. One drops out to the MOF and the other drops low as the Flat defender. Brady doesn’t like the Stick and works the Slant side. My guess is that the plan was to run a 3x1 Stick with a back-side single Slant but Brady didn’t like the defensive configuration so he checked, motioned Edelman turning the 3 man Stick into the two man version and turned the Single Slant into a Slant-Slide.

The first pic is on the timed up snap as the Chief’s Safety is trying to get into position. You can see that the Stick is getting jammed while the Slant-Slide has a free release. Additionally, the Safety who inverted is out of position and to make up for it has to drive on Edelman’s slide preventing him from interfering with the Slant. We also see that this was slowed played a bit by Brady as there no danger player here so he could afford to hit LaFell a little later after he cleared the Safety chasing Edelman. The second pic shows the open throwing lane Brady has after LaFell cleared the widening Safety. This about as clear a view of the concept progression as you’ll ever see. Flat to Slant. The Flat route is covered while the Slant has come open against a soft Cornerback alignment with no danger player inside.
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This is the same concept we just looked at, Slant-Slide/Stick package as run against the Broncos. The Broncos are playing a pattern read coverage which for all intents and purposes is man. The difference here for the Pats is LaFell is working the Dobson Slide role and the Broncos have their OLB cover LaFell’s Slide right off the bat. The Safety is rolled up as we saw in Buffalo but was similarly out of position. Brady got the ball out of his hand in a hurry. He liked LaFell against the LB and went right to it disregarding the Slant. You can easily make the argument that there was a window to hit Gronk here but the throw to LaFell was clearly there. This is a case of match-up taking precedence over the progression as Brady was zeroed in on LaFell even though usually he would have gone to the Slant if the read defender had committed right to the Slide as we see here. This is a nice look at how the key read works. As the Flat defender commits to the Slide, the QB should immediately fire the ball into the hole between the CB, the Flat defender and the Danger player basically skimming right behind the Flat defender’s helmet as he widens. Unless of course the QB gets a favorable match-up and disregards the read like we see here.
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I wanted to take a look at the Slant-Slides the Pats ran against ran Seahawks to great effect. I don’t want to get to deep into McDaniels’ brilliant game plan but this is worth looking at. As we’ve seen to this point, the Pats run there Slant-Slide with six man RB double read protections typically. They use man protections when they run Slant-Side from Empty and 3x1 as well but in this game McDaniels went off the reservation.

Now the issue with the Seahawks is that they can man up your Slant and squeeze it while committing coverage to the Slide because their ILBs are superlative danger players who recognize, drop and get under Slants with alarming speed and quickness. Their LBs are too good to throw just Slants at and they take the Slide away making this concept a poor one. I can’t say for sure not having looked myself but I saw some analyst somewhere who claimed that the Broncos hadn’t even carried the Slant-Slide in their game plan the previous year for this reason.

The Pats liked the Slant-Slide with a few modifications. The big change was timing where they slowed the routes down and the second was they added a play-action fake to the RB coupled with a play-action protection which they designed to slow down the ILB drops. It was a brilliant modification that shows what this team is all about.

This first Slant-Slide is what we’ve been seeing. The Pat’s packaged this with a Fade/Out concept. Brady liked the Slant-Slide to his left. A separate back-side concept, a back-side receiver motioning to the Slide to gain leverage and Brady making a quick decision was the idea. Brady liked what he saw Slant-Slide side and worked it over the Fade/Out which is poor against single high. In this first series play, LaFell runs the Slant while Dola runs the Slide. In the second pic you can clearly see Dola squaring up to try to gain leverage to the Flat while the Danger player is identified in the red box. In the third pic you can see how quickly the LB is threatening the Slant throwing lane. Dola did a great job here undercutting the defender to gain yards setting the tone early.
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