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Old 04-14-2014, 12:23 PM   #16
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No. He's ridiculing your news source.
Yes, because his news sources are so spot on accurate.
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Yes, because his news sources are so spot on accurate.
When I start throwing Daily Kos at you as a source, you may have a point.

If you think Washington Post, NY Times, etc... are the equivalent to free republic, infowars, etc..., well, then you're a complete and total idiot.
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The Irony of Cliven Bundy's Unconstitutional Stand

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Twenty-one years ago, rancher Cliven Bundy stopped paying his grazing fees.

Bundy does not recognize federal authority over land where his ancestors first settled in the 1880s, which he claims belongs to the state of Nevada. The Bureau of Land Management disagreed and took him to federal court, which first ruled in favor of the BLM in 1998. After years of attempts at a negotiated settlement over the $1.2 million Bundy owes in fees failed, federal land agents began seizing hundreds of his cattle illegally grazing on public land last week.
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But Bundy's understanding of states' rights is far different. As he told Sean Hannity in an interview last week (emphasis added):

Well, you know, my cattle is only one issue—that the United States courts has ordered that the government can seize my cattle. But what they have done is seized Nevada statehood, Nevada law, Clark County public land, access to the land, and have seized access to all of the other rights of Clark County people that like to go hunting and fishing. They've closed all those things down, and we're here to protest that action. And we are after freedom. We're after liberty. That's what we want.
Bundy's claim that the land belongs to Nevada or Clark County didn't hold up in court, nor did his claim of inheriting an ancestral right to use the land that pre-empts the BLM's role. "We definitely don't recognize [the BLM director's] jurisdiction or authority, his arresting power or policing power in any way," Bundy told his supporters, according to The Guardian.

His personal grievance with federal authority doesn't stop with the BLM, though. "I believe this is a sovereign state of Nevada," Bundy said in a radio interview last Thursday. "I abide by all of Nevada state laws. But I don’t recognize the United States government as even existing." Ironically, this position directly contradicts Article 1, Section 2 of the Nevada Constitution:

All political power is inherent in the people. Government is instituted for the protection, security and benefit of the people; and they have the right to alter or reform the same whenever the public good may require it. But the Paramount Allegiance of every citizen is due to the Federal Government in the exercise of all its Constitutional powers as the same have been or may be defined by the Supreme Court of the United States; and no power exists in the people of this or any other State of the Federal Union to dissolve their connection therewith or perform any act tending to impair, subvert, or resist the Supreme Authority of the government of the United States. The Constitution of the United States confers full power on the Federal Government to maintain and Perpetuate its existence, and whensoever any portion of the States, or people thereof attempt to secede from the Federal Union, or forcibly resist the Execution of its laws, the Federal Government may, by warrant of the Constitution, employ armed force in compelling obedience to its Authority.
It should be no shocker that this criminal dipshit doesn't know what he's talking about.

Lock his ass up.
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When I start throwing Daily Kos at you as a source, you may have a point.

If you think Washington Post, NY Times, etc... are the equivalent to free republic, infowars, etc..., well, then you're a complete and total idiot.
Pretty much all "news" is slanted towards some specific view. Even the "news" that you think is legit.
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The Irony of Cliven Bundy's Unconstitutional Stand





It should be no shocker that this criminal dipshit doesn't know what he's talking about.

Lock his ass up.
Yes, but you do.
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Yes, but you do.
I know that what we are talking about is nothing but a thief who belongs in prison.

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No. He's ridiculing your news source.
If it's so easy to discredit the story, then do so, don't simply dismiss it because you don't like the reference.

As they say, even a broken clock is right twice a day.

Remember the National Enquirer were the ones who broke the John Edwards story.
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If it's so easy to discredit the story, then do so, don't simply dismiss it because you don't like the reference.

As they say, even a broken clock is right twice a day.

Remember the National Enquirer were the ones who broke the John Edwards story.
Free republic is a message board.

Citing it as a source is about as legitimate as citing any post from this board as a source.
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Free republic is a message board.

Citing it as a source is about as legitimate as citing any post from this board as a source.
So, a newspaper always tells you the truth, as long as it's from a liberal standpoint?
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Free republic is a message board.

Citing it as a source is about as legitimate as citing any post from this board as a source.
So how often does anyone think citing the National Enquirer is legitimate?

Yet one would have been spot on doing so in the John Edwards scandal.

You think the reference is crap? Man up and show how it is.

Oh and there are plenty of things posted on this board that are perfectly suitable to be cited.

There are countless posts by the likes of Maineman, Chevess, etc. in the football forum that almost anyone would accept as perfectly valid evidence to support a football point.

I've never looked at the Free Republic forum so I have no idea if there are any posters with comparable chops.

My point is simple. It is exceedingly weak sauce to simply dismiss out of hand anything based simply on the source or what label you think describes the poster/idea.

If you can't elaborate specifically why any such post is wrong, and provide a supporting argument, you're just pontificating.
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This here is all that matters.

The man is a criminal.

LOCK. HIS. THIEVING. ASS. UP.

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United States District Court,
D. Nevada.
UNITED STATES of America, Plaintiff,
v.
Cliven BUNDY, Defendant.

No. 2:12–cv–0804–LDG–GWF.
July 9, 2013.

Stephen R. Terrell, United States Department of Justice, Washington, DC, Terry M. Petrie, U.S. Department of Justice, Denver, CO, Nadia Janjua Ahmed, U.S. Attorney's Office, Las Vegas, NV, for Plaintiff.

Cliven Bundy, Bunkerville, NV, pro se.

LLOYD D. GEORGE, District Judge.

*1 This matter comes before the court on the plaintiff United States' Motion for Summary Judgment (# 18, Opposition # 28, Reply # 30) and defendant Cliven Bundy's Motion to Dismiss (# 28, Opposition # 30).

I. BACKGROUND
The United States filed a complaint on May 14, 2012, for injunctive relief to prevent Bundy's alleged unauthorized and unlawful grazing of livestock on property owned by the United States and administered by the Secretary of the Interior, Bureau of Land Management and National Park Service, and for trespass damages.

In an order dated November 3, 1998, this court permanently enjoined Bundy from grazing his livestock within a different area, the Bunkerville Allotment, and ordered Bundy to remove his livestock from the Allotment before November 30, 1998. U.S. v. Bundy, No. CV–S–98–531–JBR (RJJ) (D.Nev. Nov. 4, 1998). The court also ordered that the United States was entitled to trespass damages from Bundy for livestock left on the Bunkerville Allotment after such date.

In its complaint, the United States alleges that, not only has Bundy failed to comply with the court's orders that he remove his cattle from the Bunkerville Allotment and pay the financial penalties, but that Bundy's cattle have moved beyond the boundaries of the Bunkerville Allotment and are now trespassing on a broad swath of additional federal land (the “New Trespass Lands”), including public lands within the Gold Butte area that are administered by the BLM, and National Park System land within the Overton Arm and Gold Butte areas of the Lake Mead National Recreation Area. The United States seeks an order enjoining Bundy's unauthorized grazing on the New Trespass Lands.

II. SUMMARY JUDGMENT

*2 Bundy principally opposes the United States' motion for summary judgment on the ground that this court lacks jurisdiction because the United States does not own the public lands in question. As this court previously ruled in United States v. Bundy, Case No. CV–S–98–531–JBR (RJJ) (D.Nev. Nov. 4, 1998), “the public lands in Nevada are the property of the United States because the United States has held title to those public lands since 1848, when Mexico ceded the land to the United States.” CV–S–98–531 at 8 (citing United States v. Gardner, 107 F.3d 1314, 1318 (9th Cir.1997)). Moreover, Bundy is incorrect in claiming that the Disclaimer Clause of the Nevada Constitution carries no legal force, see Gardner, 107 F.3d at 1320; that the Property Clause of the United States Constitution applies only to federal lands outside the borders of states, see id. at 1320; that the United States' exercise of ownership over federal lands violates the Equal Footing Doctrine, see id. at 1319; that the United States is basing its authority to sanction Bundy for his unauthorized use of federal lands on the Endangered Species Act as opposed to trespass, see Compl. at ¶¶ 1,3, 26–39; and that Nevada's “Open Range” statute excuses Bundy's trespass. See e.g., Gardner, 107 F.3d at 1320 (under Supremacy Clause state statute in conflict with federal law requiring permit to graze would be trumped).

Nor is there a legitimate dispute that Bundy has grazed his cattle on the New Trespass Lands without federal authorization. The United States has submitted Bundy's deposition excerpts indicating that Bundy has grazed livestock on the New Trespass Lands and further evidence of the trespass of Bundy's cattle in those areas. Notwithstanding Bundy's contentions that the observed cattle bearing his brand may not in fact be his own, such a denial does not controvert Nevada law regarding prima facie evidence of ownership of branded cattle. In sum, in this most recent effort to oppose the United States' legal process, Bundy has produced no valid law or specific facts raising a genuine issue of fact regarding federal ownership or management of public lands in Nevada, or that his cattle have not trespassed on the New Trespass Lands.

III. INJUNCTIVE RELIEF
The United States has established irreparable harm not only through the continuing nature of Bundy's trespass, City of Walla Walla v. Walla Walla Water Co., 172 U.S. 1, 12 (1898); Newfound Mgmt. Corp. v. Lewis, 131 F.3d 108, 115 (3rd Cir.1997), but because Bundy's cattle have caused and continue to cause damage to natural and cultural resources and pose a threat to public safety. The United States has also demonstrated that the equities and the public interest strongly favor an injunction. The public interest is best served by having the federal lands managed without the presence of trespassing cattle on lands that are closed to grazing. The public interest is also best served by removal of trespassing cattle that cause harm to natural and cultural resources or pose a threat to the health and safety of members of the public who use the federal lands for recreation. The court finds that the public interest is negatively affected by Bundy's continuing trespass.

*3 Moreover, the United States is entitled to injunctive relief as a matter of law once trespass on federal lands is proven. See United States v. Noguiera, 403 F.2d 816, 825 (9th Cir.1968). The same result followed in Gardner where this court held that the United States was entitled to injunctive relief to prevent a continuing trespass. 107 F.3d at 1403. Finally, the public interest is served by the enforcement of Congress' mandate for management of the public rangelands, and by having federal laws and regulations applied to all citizens equally.

IV. CONCLUSION
IT IS HEREBY ORDERED that the United States' Motion for Summary Judgment (# 18) is GRANTED.

IT IS FURTHER ORDERED that defendant Cliven Bundy's Motion to Dismiss (# 28) is DENIED as moot.

IT IS FURTHER ORDERED that Bundy is permanently enjoined from trespassing on the New Trespass Lands.

IT IS FURTHER ORDERED that the United States is entitled to protect the New Trespass Lands against this trespass, and all future trespasses by Bundy.

IT IS FURTHER ORDERED that Bundy shall remove his livestock from the New Trespass Lands within 45 days of the date hereof, and that the United States is entitled to seize and remove to impound any of Bundy's cattle that remain in trespass after 45 days of the date hereof.

IT IS FURTHER ORDERED that the United States is entitled to seize and remove to impound any of Bundy's cattle for any future trespasses, provided the United States has provided notice to Bundy under the governing regulations of the United States Department of the Interior.

D.Nev.,2013.
U.S. v. Bundy
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This here is all that matters.

The man is a criminal.

LOCK. HIS. THIEVING. ASS. UP.
Thank you.

Such a post is all I was asking you to do instead of summarily dismissing another's.
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This here is all that matters.

The man is a criminal.

LOCK. HIS. THIEVING. ASS. UP.
And they never did.

Why?
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